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UX design pioneers and Adaptive Path co-founders Peter Merholz and Jesse James Garrett discuss the evolving challenges and opportunities for design leaders.

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Dave Gray, author of Liminal Thinking and founder of School of the Possible, joins Peter and Jesse to examine what's actually getting in leaders' way right now: not the disruption itself, but the expertise that blinds them to it. The conversation mov... more

Peter and Jesse compare notes from their respective listening tours and client work on how AI is reshaping design teams. The conversation moves through the operational chaos of proliferating tools, the urgent need to articulate a value proposition, w... more

Journalist, technologist, and Aboard co-founder Paul Ford joins Peter and Jesse with the perspective of someone running a services firm in the middle of being remade by AI. The conversation covers the collapsing cost of software, blurring roles, what... more

Design consultant John Gleason returns to explore the leadership skills design needs to claim greater strategic influence. The conversation covers vulnerability and psychological safety, translating design value into business outcomes, the boldness r... more

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Recent Guests

Dave Gray
Veteran design consultant and author of Liminal Thinking
School of the Possible
Episode: LIMINAL—4: You As A Service (ft. Dave Gray)
Paul Ford
Journalist, technologist, and agency founder
Abort, Inc. / Postlight (context from discussion)
Episode: 72: The Worst Technology Rollout in History (Ft. Paul Ford)
John Gleason
Design and business consultant
Design leadership consultant
Episode: 71: Finding Our Way Live! (ft John Gleason)
Jorge Arango
Consultant and author discussing AI transformation and information architecture
Episode: 69: In a World of AI, What is the Work Really About? (ft. Jorge Arango)
Dan Saffer
Adaptive Path colleague; Assistant Professor of the Practice at CMU's HCI Institute; design author and educator
Carnegie Mellon University; Independent designer/educator
Episode: 68: AI and Design: Fundamentals and The Future (ft. Dan Saffer)
Christina Wodtke
Founder, author, tech industry veteran, and Stanford professor
Stanford University
Episode: 65: Design—Stuck in the Middle with AI (ft. Christina Wodtke)
Christian Crumlish
Design leader turned product manager and author of Product Management for UX People.
Kind Systems
Episode: 63: AI Means Product Needs UX More than Ever (ft. Christian Crumlish)
Andrew Hogan
Head of Insights for Figma and Design Industry Analyst
Figma
Episode: 62: Design as Differentiator in a World of AI (ft. Andrew Hogan)
Lesley-Ann Noel
Dean of Design at the Ontario College of Art and Design and author of Design Social Change.
Ontario College of Art and Design
Episode: 60: Making the World– Design Education and Social Change (ft. Lesley-Ann Noel, PhD)

Hosts

Jesse James Garrett
Co-host and design leader, frequent presenter on AI in design and organizational transformation
Peter Merholz
Co-host and design leader, founder of Adaptive Path, specializes in design strategy and AI-enabled transformation

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 122 ratings
  • Design at it’s best

    I’ve been listening to this podcast for the past weeks. I’m an avid design consumer: I curated conferences, used to teach design, read 30+ on the topic. But, I have to say this podcast brings some much of what I wanted to hear. As a service designer hidden in a CX Advisor role at a big company, the leadership and strategic aspect of design tips given in this podcast are absolute gold. This needs to be heard by all designers to better understand the ramifications of the work they’re doing. Terrif... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    blirette
    Canada3 years ago
  • My favourite design leadership podcast

    If you’re working in the experience design / HCD world, then this is a must listen

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MillyMae
    Australia4 years ago
  • Brilliant podcast about the challenges facing UX design leadership

    I just finished the season finale of the Finding Our Way podcast and I absolutely loved it. Through all 25 episodes they tackled some truly important challenges facing UX design leadership. Even as a freelance researcher that has not worked internally for 15 years, I got a tremendous amount out of it.

    What I enjoyed most (and honestly found refreshing) was how Jesse and Peter made it clear that they did NOT have all the answers. Navigating the direction of our industry is a journey we’re all on... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    AnnoyedUser_ks
    United States5 years ago
  • Great

    Episode 22 is awesome. Listened multiple times.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    newuxer
    United States5 years ago
  • What happened to episodes 1-5?!

    I enjoyed episode 6, but what happened to the beginning episodes of this podcast? I feel like I missed something

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    glencoco11
    United States6 years ago

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High-quality guests with actionable takeaways for teams.
Insightful discussions on leadership and design strategy.
Listeners praise practical, real-world perspectives on AI in design.

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#202
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Apple Podcasts
#78
United Kingdom/Arts/Design
Apple Podcasts
#170
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Apple Podcasts
#23
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Apple Podcasts
#41
Australia/Arts/Design
Apple Podcasts
#116
Germany/Arts/Design

Talking Points

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68: AI and Design: Fundamentals and The Future (ft. Dan Saffer)
Q: How are students and graduates faring in the AI-forward job market for design roles?
Graduates are increasingly AI-forward; employers prioritize AI skills and the ability to apply design thinking to AI-enabled products, with a growing need for cross-disciplinary collaboration and real-world readiness beyond pure production skills.
68: AI and Design: Fundamentals and The Future (ft. Dan Saffer)
Q: What does it mean to teach design in a modern HCI program with AI in the mix?
Teaching design now combines grounding in traditional fundamentals with hands-on exploration of AI as a material and tool, emphasizing judgment, problem framing, collaboration, and ethical considerations while experimenting with AI-driven production and critique workflows.
69: In a World of AI, What is the Work Really About? (ft. Jorge Arango)
Q: What are the points of articulation for intelligence in organizations adopting AI tools?
The guest suggests focusing on team-based clarity over rigid roles, emphasizing the importance of team composition, governance, and shared understanding of goals to effectively leverage AI.
62: Design as Differentiator in a World of AI (ft. Andrew Hogan)
Q: What design skills and practices become increasingly important?
It's a mix of high craft in design and understanding workflows, as well as the ability to deliver value to users effectively.
62: Design as Differentiator in a World of AI (ft. Andrew Hogan)
Q: What insights have informed what Figma has launched?
People feel more efficient using AI in their design process, but they sometimes feel their work is not improving. We're tracking the tension between efficiency and quality.

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What is Finding Our Way about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Design leadership discussions centered on AI-enabled transformation in product and service design, with a focus on how teams reorganize around AI workflows, platform design, and design operations. The conversations highlight balancing human-centered approaches with rapid technological change, governance, cross-functional collaboration, and strategies for sustaining value, critique culture, and psychological safety in large organizations. Notable throughlines include leadership metaphors, the need for dedicated transformation teams, and practical guidance for aligning design with business outcomes while navigating organizational politics and toolchain fragmentation. The show often features seasoned design leaders and researchers who bring ha... more

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