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Divergent States

Divergent States
Psychedelics
Mental Health
PTSD
Psychedelic Therapy
Microdosing
MDMA
Ibogaine
Harm Reduction
Integration
Community Engagement
Research In Psychedelic Therapies
Opioid Addiction
Multidisciplinary Association For Psychedelic Studies
Zendo Project
Personal Growth
Creativity
Psychedelic Medicine
Consciousness
Addiction Recovery
Trauma

Divergent States cuts through psychedelic hype with grounded, curious conversations about what these substances actually do.

Hosted by 3L1T3, founder of r/Psychonaut, the world’s largest psychedelic harm-reduction community, and co-hosted by Bryan, a USMC veteran and advocate for psychedelic healing, the show brings together lived experience, science, and culture without losing its sense of humor.... more

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What evidence should justify placing a psychedelic substance in Schedule I, and what happens to research when those restrictions take effect?

Attorney Robert T. Rush joins 3L1T3 and Bryan to discuss the DEA’s proposal to schedule five tryptamines: 4... more

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When a psychedelic experience feels profoundly true, does that mean it actually tells us something true?

Danny Forde, author of Phenomenology of Psychedelic Experiences, joins Divergent States to explore what happens when we take psychedelic experie... more

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What if one of the biggest things missing from the modern psychedelic conversation isn't another drug, therapy, or clinical protocol, but community?

In this episode of Divergent States, 3L1T3 sits down with Mike Margolies of the Global Psychedelic S... more

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There’s a big difference between having a psychedelic experience and actually doing something with it.

Jonathan Schecter, host of Vital Point: Pathways to Integration and founder of Pathways Integration, joins us to talk about what happens after the... more

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Recent Guests

Robert Rush
Attorney involved in challenges to psychedelic scheduling
Rights and Reason Project / Rush Law
Episode: Divergent States Special Report: Robert Rush on the DEA’s Psychedelic Scheduling Proposal
Danny Forde
Author of Phenomenology of Psychedelic Experience
Palgrave Macmillan (author)
Episode: Reality Is Weird Enough: Psychedelic Realism with Danny Forde
Mike Margalis
Founder of Global Psychedelic Society (GPS)
Global Psychedelic Society
Episode: The Missing Piece of Psychedelics: Global Psychedelic Society on Community
Jonathan Schecter
Host of Vital Point and Pathways Integration; founder of Blue Magic Alchemy
Pathways Integration / Blue Magic Alchemy
Episode: Portals vs. Pathways: The Real Work After Psychedelics | Jonathan Schecter
Abbie Rosner
Author of Psychedelics and the Counterculture of Aging
Psychedelics and the Counterculture of Aging
Episode: The Counterculture of Aging: Abbie Rosner on Psychedelics and Elderhood
Machon Taylor
Singer, songwriter, performer, author of Naked Out Loud
Author of Naked Out Loud
Episode: Naked Out Loud: Machan Taylor on Memory, Music, and MDMA Therapy
Dori Lewis
Psychotherapist, clinical supervisor and co-founder of Elemental Psychedelics
Elemental Psychedelics / Reflective Healing Center
Episode: Who Should Be Allowed to Guide Psychedelic Experiences? | Dori Lewis
Robert Gallery
Former NFL player, College Football Hall of Famer
Self
Episode: The NFL Broke His Brain… Then Ibogaine Changed Everything | Robert Gallery
Dennis Walker
Journalist, satirist, and the voice behind The Mycopreneur
Mycopreneur
Episode: The Hidden Politics of Psychedelic Media | Dennis Walker

Hosts

Bryan
Co-host, veteran advocate and psychedelic healing advocate with USMC background.
Lee
Host with ties to the Divergent States community, contributes to program discussions.
Brian
Host of the show; provides framing and balance to conversations.

Reviews

4.4 out of 5 stars from 17 ratings
  • Common sense!

    What I appreciate about the show is that it can look critically at certain aspects of the world of psychedelics. Most other podcast host don’t think critically about the topic. The guests have been great and represent a range of perspectives and experiences.

    Apple Podcasts
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    United Statesa year ago

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Great guests and diverse perspectives across episodes.
Honest conversations about safety and real-world applications.
Thoughtful, critical take on psychedelics without hype.

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The Counterculture of Aging: Abbie Rosner on Psychedelics and Elderhood
Q: What should older listeners take away from this discussion?
Rosner urges rethinking psychedelics as sacred medicines rather than recreational relics, emphasizes intentional use, reverence, and safety, and envisions elder-focused communities and activism to redefine aging.
The Counterculture of Aging: Abbie Rosner on Psychedelics and Elderhood
Q: Can psychedelics really create better elders, or is that asking too much of a substance?
She believes psychedelics can open pathways toward greater openness, forgiveness, and meaning, but integration and personal work are essential; the medicine is an opener, not a complete solution. The elder's ongoing effort to integrate and live authentically is crucial.
The Missing Piece of Psychedelics: Global Psychedelic Society on Community
Q: What does GPS look like five years from now?
GPS envisions more self-sustaining local societies with paid organizers, formal mentorship programs, physical spaces, and stronger cross-collaborations with other organizations to bring best information to communities.
The Missing Piece of Psychedelics: Global Psychedelic Society on Community
Q: What keeps a community healthy, and how can it avoid becoming an echo chamber or a 'funnel' for business?
Healthy communities are grounded, allow critical voices, and handle conflict with respect. GPS emphasizes accountability, compassion, and balancing autonomy with standards, while being careful not to approve harmful leaders or undue commercial influence; spaces like Zendo Project provide safety nets to prevent harm.
The Missing Piece of Psychedelics: Global Psychedelic Society on Community
Q: What is a psychedelic society, and how does GPS define and support it?
A psychedelic society is any group that offers ongoing psychedelic education and community events outside formal ceremonial contexts; GPS supports these groups by providing resources, mentorship, networking, and a framework for sustainable growth without dictating how each local community should operate.

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What is Divergent States about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Grounded, data-informed conversations about psychedelics and their real-world impact. Episodes balance science, clinical practice, and lived experience with a strong emphasis on harm reduction, accessibility, and ethical care. Listeners are likely to be professionals and curious laypeople who want rigorous discussion without mysticism, exploring topics from clinical trials and therapy rooms to policy, culture, and community support. A notable strength is the mix of practitioner perspectives, investigative journalism, and firsthand recovery stories, which helps translate complex research and policy into practical insights for individuals and organizations exploring sponsorship, partnerships, or media opportunities. The show stands out for it... more

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4. Jonathan Schecter
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