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Design System Office Hours

Davy Fung + PJ Onori
Design Systems
Figma
Product Design
User Experience
Documentation
Design System
Meta
Team Dynamics
Color Theory
Accessibility
Engineering
User Experience Design
Plugins
Internal Documentation
Performance Metrics
Onboarding
Flexibility In Design Systems
Artificial Intelligence
Design Tokens
REST API

Davy and PJ, design system practitioners talk about design-led product ownership, scaling and adoption, community and engagement, design system team models, and much more.

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Davy and PJ dig into the messy state of software quality in 2026… from visual regression tests that look wrong to the growing need for shared skills, layered checks, and actual human judgment when everyone is shipping faster than they can review.

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We discuss, you guess it, whatever ai-native means in the world of design systems, including that start of a new phase of PJ and Davy's design system spec that originated from this episode!

Davy and PJ debate how automation, visible chaos, and human judgment can help teams move fast without turning the design system into an expensive junk drawer.

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Episode: Ep 84: Design Systems Interviewing w/ Chela
Matt Petitt
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Episode: Ep 65: DS POV from Engineering w/ Matt Petitt
Donnie D'Amato
Founder and Chief Architect of Design Systems House, involved in various community initiatives.
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Episode: Ep 53: Design Technologists, Again

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Davy
Host of Design System Office Hours; co-host of the podcast; long-time practitioner in design systems.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 44 ratings
  • Honest, relatable and thoughtful!

    Nothing like tuning into an informal yet passionate ongoing conversation about design systems; especially when its between two kind hearted design leaders with real stories and insights to share.

    11/10 would listen again, actually had it on as I bike around with my dog!

    Apple Podcasts
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    Robyn V. Smith
    United States4 years ago

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Honest, relatable and thoughtful insights into design systems.
Practical, real-world anecdotes and approachable deep dives.
Great for listeners who want actionable patterns and governance ideas.

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#250
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#114
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#142
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#163
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Ep 73: Component Migrations
Q: At what point should someone want to migrate something?
You typically migrate when there's a gap in the design system that you can fill with a new component, or when you have to update existing components to new versions.
Ep 65: DS POV from Engineering w/ Matt Petitt
Q: In an ideal situation, what's the perfect cross-functional dynamic for teams?
There should be a collaborative environment where designers and developers work together from the start rather than sequentially, which increases efficiency and empathy between roles.
Ep 65: DS POV from Engineering w/ Matt Petitt
Q: What are your thoughts on time savings using the design system?
The time savings can vary based on the project, and the design system must be effectively promoted to gain buy-in from teams.
Ep 65: DS POV from Engineering w/ Matt Petitt
Q: What would you say are the most important things to focus in on then, if you had to start somewhere?
Focus on finding a product partner and delivering what they need to ship, avoiding the pitfalls of trying to create a comprehensive design system from scratch.
Ep 61: Where Design Systems Sit, w/ Nico from Zeplin
Q: What kind of advice would you give to any junior designers that sort of want to break into the field?
Get into a product design role where there’s an appetite to work in this sort of manner, focusing on design quality and efficiency.

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Two design-system practitioners host candid, practical conversations about building and governing design systems at scale. Topics span AI-native ecosystems, governance, tokenization, tooling, documentation, interoperability, and open-source collaboration, with real-world anecdotes from large organizations. The format blends deep technical exploration with approachable storytelling, making complex design-system trade-offs accessible for teams evaluating tooling, processes, and governance models. A standout aspect is the emphasis on actionable patterns (linting, tokens, schemas, automation) and community-driven openness, offering listeners useful signals for adoption, governance, and collaboration across design and development teams.

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