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Being a Dean in today’s modern university is without a doubt one of the most challenging jobs in higher education. With ever changing tensions and pressures from conflicting constituencies, the job can be both overwhelming yet intensely invigorating at the same time. However, by design, it’s also one of the most lonely jobs in the Academy. Where can one turn for confidential advice? In this podcas... more

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Our guest today, Bill Hardgrave, has had a remarkable career. After graduating with his PhD from Oklahoma State in Information Systems, he moved to the University of Arkansas where he developed a passion for Radio Frequency Identification, perhaps be... more

In today’s episode, we hear from Joyce Russell, the Helen and William O'Toole Dean of the Villanova School of Business (VSB) from 2016 to 2023. Under her leadership, her college strengthened faculty research output, enhanced student programs, upgrade... more

In this rare and truly special edition of Deans Counsel, we are joined by the legendary Dr. Stanley Ikenberry. This posthumous publication was recorded earlier last season, just one week before his passing following a long and remarkable life. During... more

On this episode of Deans Counsel, hosts Ken Kring and Dave Ikenberry welcome back to the podcast François Ortalo-Magné, Executive Dean (External Relations) and Professor of Management Practice in Economics and Strategy & Entrepreneurship at London Bu... more

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Recent Guests

Joyce Russell
Licensed industrial and organizational psychologist and executive coach; former Dean of Villanova School of Business
Villanova University
Episode: 89: Joyce Russell (Villanova / AACSB) on Negotiating Compensation
Stanley O. Ikenberry
Former president of the American Council on Education
American Council on Education
Episode: 88: Stanley Ikenberry (Illinois / ACE) Reflects on a Lifetime of Academic Leadership
Francois Ortalo-Magne
Professor of Practice in Economics and Strategy and Entrepreneurship; Executive Dean for External Relations at LBS
London Business School
Episode: 87: Francois Ortalo-Magne (London Business School) on Business Research
Brooke Elliott
11th dean of the Gies College of Business at UIUC
Gies College of Business, University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign
Episode: 86: Brooke Elliott (Illinois) on Expanding Access
David Thomas
Professor turned administrator; transformational leadership expert
Georgetown University / Morehouse College
Episode: 85: David Thomas (Georgetown/Morehouse) on Transformational Vision
Stowe Shoemaker
Dean of the Hospitality College at UNLV (2013-2023)
University of Nevada, Las Vegas
Episode: 84: Stowe Shoemaker (UNLV) on Hospitality Programs
Steve Currall
Executive Director and Associate Vice Provost for Academic Corporate Initiatives at Harvard University
Harvard University
Episode: 83: Steve Currall (Harvard) on Building Corporate Relations
Chandra Subramaniam
Dean of the David Nazarian College of Business and Economics at CSUN
California State University, Northridge
Episode: 82: Chandra Subramaniam (CSUN) on Being a Student-centric Dean
Robert Shepard
Philanthropy expert with four decades in advancement, currently consulting
Grenzebach Glier & Associates / Huron Consulting
Episode: 81: Robert Shepard (GG+A) on Philanthropy

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Ken Kring
Senior Client Partner in the Philadelphia office for Korn Ferry; Co-Managing Director of Global Education Practice (intro and ongoing involvement).
Jim Ellis
Former dean of the Marshall School at USC; later a panelist and host contributor focusing on deanship experience and higher-ed leadership.
Dave Ikenberry
Former dean of the Leeds School of Business at the University of Colorado Boulder; participates as a Deans Counsel panelist and show host providing governance and leadership perspective.

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71: Todd Milbourn (SMU) on Approaching a First Deanship
Q: What are you learning in these early days and how is the approach evolving?
Todd explains he is listening, mapping internal and external stakeholders, and planning a phased strategic process while balancing ongoing operations with upcoming growth initiatives.
66: Gerry Sanders (UNLV) on Crisis Communications in an Active Shooter Situation
Q: Would you say that, regardless of the outcome of how that meeting went, it is the right thing to have that kind of discussion to at least set the parameters between the two of you?
Absolutely. It's essential to define boundaries and determine who speaks for what, so messaging is coherent, timely, and appropriate across both the college and the university.
66: Gerry Sanders (UNLV) on Crisis Communications in an Active Shooter Situation
Q: Let me ask you a question there. Have you, since then, had the communication with the university's communication to kind of establish that going forward where you had that conversation as to who takes precedence in terms of issuing any conversations?
Yes, we established that the central university communications VP should be the primary point person for messaging, ensuring that messages from the college align with university-wide communications and reducing the risk of cross-messaging.
68: John Evans (VinUniversity) on Leading a Startup Business School
Q: What has been your approach to building scholarly mass and handling budget implications?
The strategy relies on strong backing from Vin Group, targeted faculty recruitment including returning Vietnamese with PhDs, establishing research centers, and leveraging external appointments; budgeting hinges on allocating resources for new research centers and collaboration with overseas affiliates to drive funded research and KPIs.
89: Joyce Russell (Villanova / AACSB) on Negotiating Compensation
Q: How should a dean approach the renewal process and contract terms over time?
Understand the renewal process, who is involved (faculty, students, advisory boards), the timeline (often in the fourth year for a five-year term), and ensure there is a mechanism to discuss performance and next-term expectations.

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Frequently Asked Questions About Deans Counsel

What is Deans Counsel about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show centers on candid, peer-to-peer conversations among senior business school leaders navigating the modern realities of running a large, research-driven faculty. Episodes frequently explore governance, fundraising, student access and success, industry partnerships, online education, and strategic transformation of curricula—often through a deanship lens. A notable pattern is the emphasis on leadership practices (servant leadership, stakeholder management, change leadership) and the practical tensions between faculty, administration, donors, and students. A recurring strength is bringing together former deans and senior executives to share hard-won lessons, institutional anecdotes, and scalable frameworks that listeners can adapt to ... more

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