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Oli Dugmore and New Statesman journalists confront the most influential voices of our time in extended one-on-one interviews.

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Children's laureate, screenwriter, author of Millions, architect of the 2012 Olympic opening ceremony, and father of seven, Frank Cottrell-Boyce joins Oli Dugmore to discuss what childhood means in Britain today.

Over two years visiting schools, pris... more

Mariana Mazzucato is one of the most influential economists of modern times. An avowed progressive, her ideas impact the lives of millions of people, from the United States to sub-Saharan Africa. She was directly consulted in the creation of Biden’s ... more

Are AI companies the new empires?

Journalist Karen Hao says the parallels are striking. This disruptive sector requires vast amounts of land, minerals and water – not to mention data and content from individuals. 

Hao interviews subjects ranging fr... more

Guy Standing is a British labour economist best known for coining the term "precariat" to describe the growing global class of people living with unstable employment, mounting debt, and chronic insecurity.

Standing’s latest book, Human Capital, expl... more

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Frank Cottrell-Boyce
Children's author and former UK Children's Laureate
Author, Children's Laureate
Episode: Frank Cottrell-Boyce fears Britain has lost its childhood
Mariana Mazzucato
Economist and author of Mission Economy and The Value of Everything
Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose (UCL)
Episode: Mariana Mazzucato wants economists to rethink everything
Karen Hao
Journalist and author
New York Times bestselling author, journalist
Episode: No Mr Blair, AI will not save us | Karen Hao
Guy Standing
World-renowned economist and author of The Precariat and other works
Economist and author
Episode: Guy Standing on big finance infiltrating education
Caroline Lucas
Former leader of the Green Party and former MEP
Green Party
Episode: In defence of Europe - from Charleston Festival
Anand Menon
Director of UK in a Changing Europe
UK in a Changing Europe
Episode: In defence of Europe - from Charleston Festival
Marina Wheeler
Barrister and author, advocate for nuanced EU engagement
Independent/Author
Episode: In defence of Europe - from Charleston Festival
Eric Schlosser
Author of Fast Food Nation, investigative journalist
Author, journalist
Episode: Eric Schlosser's 25 year fight against the fast food industry
Mary Beard
Britain's best known classicist, author and broadcaster
University of Cambridge (classics), public intellectual
Episode: Mary Beard on the weaponisation of classics

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Oli Dugmore
Host of The Exchange
Tanjil Rashid
Host of The Exchange from the New Statesman

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Mariana Mazzucato wants economists to rethink everything
Q: Can you explain the concept of pre-distribution and why it matters?
Pre-distribution means shaping the distribution of outcomes before they occur through strategic public investment, procurement, and policies that create inclusive growth, rather than relying on post-hoc fixes that often leave the most vulnerable behind.
Mariana Mazzucato wants economists to rethink everything
Q: How do you respond to criticisms that governments routinely pick winners or losers?
The solution is not to micromanage or pick winners; it is to set clear missions, then engage willing partners to achieve them, with procurement and policy tools designed to avoid rents and ensure accountability.
Mariana Mazzucato wants economists to rethink everything
Q: What provocative point is at the heart of your new book?
That if you discuss the common good as an objective, you must also change how we think about the economy—not as a fix to market failures, but as a proactive, mission-oriented system where public and private sectors partner with reciprocity and real implementation capacity.
No Mr Blair, AI will not save us | Karen Hao
Q: What is the human cost behind the AI industry's growth, particularly in content moderation and data handling?
Workers around the world perform demanding, often traumatic moderation tasks with insufficient mental health support, illustrating the hidden costs of AI development and the inequities in the labor model supporting these systems.
No Mr Blair, AI will not save us | Karen Hao
Q: How do these companies justify their expansive aims to the public, and how do definitions of AGI vary internally?
AGI is defined differently across players—from labor automation to a societal cure and a digital assistant—depending on strategic needs, which reveals a lack of a single, stable goal and a flexible civilizing mission used to justify expansion.

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Long-form interviews feature influential voices across politics, economics, culture, and activism, exploring big ideas through thoughtful, extended conversations. Topics recur around democracy, policy, education, European relations, media, and power structures, with guests including economists, authors, politicians, and artists who challenge conventional narratives. Noteworthy patterns include rigorous critique of systems (finance, governance, multinational power), discussions of leadership and morality in public life, and a willingness to confront difficult truths about society, technology, and culture. The show tends to attract listeners who appreciate deep context, nuanced debate, and the intersections of policy, history, and culture, of... more

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