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Cleaning Up: Leadership in an Age of Climate Change

Michael Liebreich, Bryony Worthington
Climate Change
Fossil Fuels
The Uninhabitable Earth
Renewable Energy
Sustainability
New York Magazine
COP28
RCP 8.5
Sunrise Movement
Climate Strikes
Extinction Rebellion
Jim Hansen
Greta Thunberg
China
Clean Energy
Energy Transition
Iron-Air Battery
Storytelling
Futerra
Biden Administration

Once a week, Michael Liebreich and Bryony Worthington have a conversation with a leader in clean energy, mobility, climate finance or sustainable development. Informative, inspiring and fun!

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What will be the long-term impact of the US’s great leap backward on clean energy? How will the emergency of China as an electrotech giant reshape geopolitics? And what will be the defining trends and technologies of 2026?

In this end-of-year episod... more

What happens when clean energy starts to outgrow fossil fuels at scale? Is it right to call China an electrostate? And how long will we be reliant on hydrocarbons?

This week on Cleaning Up, host Michael Liebreich sits down with Lord Browne of Mading... more

What happens when a nation’s energy security rests on volatile global gas markets? Why does the UK pay market prices for some of the world’s cheapest-to-produce gas? And is now the moment to rethink decades of “leave it to the market” dogma?

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What does it take to build Europe’s largest and most sustainable data-centre campus, from an empty plot of land to a 1.2-gigawatt giant of AI? How do you future-proof a facility when chip technology is evolving at breakneck speed? And what happens wh... more

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Recent Guests

John Browne
Former CEO of BP and managing director at General Atlantic, co-founder of the growth equity fund BeyondNetZero.
General Atlantic
Episode: Honey, I Shrunk the Oil And Gas Sector | Ep237: Lord John Browne
Seb Kennedy
A journalist who takes a keen interest in energy, especially gas markets, and the founder of Energy Flux.
Energy Flux
Episode: Why Does The UK Pay So Much For Cheap-To-Produce Gas? | Ep236: Seb Kennedy
Rob Dunn
CEO of Start Campus, responsible for building Europe's largest sustainable data center.
Start Campus
Episode: Inside Europe’s Largest AI Data Centre: A Green Giant Rises | Ep235: Robert Dunn
Liane Randolph
Former chair of the California Air Resources Board
California Air Resources Board
Episode: California vs Trump In The Battle For Clean Air | Ep234: Liane Randolph
Tim Meyerjürgens
CEO of TenneT Germany, a major transmission system operator in Germany.
TenneT Germany
Episode: ⁠The €65 Billion Plan to Modernise Germany’s Grids | Ep233: Tim Meyerjürgens
Kingsmill Bond
Director and strategist at Ember, with a background in financial market analysis and energy transition
Ember
Episode: The Electrotech Revolution Will Not Be Fossilized | Ep231: Kingsmill Bond
Rachel Kyte
UK's special representative for climate change
UK Government
Episode: COP30: Caught Between An Electrostate and A Petrostate | Ep230: Rachel Kyte
Tristan Smith
Professor of Energy and Transport at UCL Energy Institute
University College London
Episode: The US Just Sank Shipping's Big Plan for Decarbonization, What Now? | Ep229: Tristan Smith
John Pettigrew
Outgoing CEO of National Grid
National Grid
Episode: The £60 Billion Plan To Rewire Britain | Ep227: John Pettigrew

Hosts

Michael Liebreich
Co-founder of Bloomberg New Energy Finance and an influential figure in the clean energy sector, Michael Liebreich has extensive expertise in energy, transportation, and climate change. He engages critically with guests to draw out insights, making complex topics accessible.
Bryony Worthington
A prominent advocate for climate action and sustainable development, Bryony Worthington brings experience from her work with environmental policy and legislation, supporting climate solutions and renewable energy initiatives.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 665 ratings
  • Great podcast series from an OG!

    Liebreich has been involved with renewable energy for many years, starting Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF) years ago and his experience shows. Many of these episodes include captivating discussions and clarity around current issues in renewables. Liebreich isn’t shy on providing his well researched opinion and rationale behind it.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    He's Thrifty Allright
    United States4 months ago
  • Excellent, fascinating and important info from experts!

    Podcast Addict
    5
    SCSierraDave
    4 months ago
  • uplift with Tessa Khan

    What clarity Tessa brings - so many parallels with the state of play in australia with the entrenched influence of coal and gas.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    zi ying cav
    Australia5 months ago
  • High opener

    Super informative podcast with great speakers and plenty of food for thought. Michael and his guests are incredible sparring partners and it is a pleasure to listen and learn

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    thommy2t
    Belgium5 months ago
  • Insightful

    I always enjoy listening to Cleaning Up, where Michael Liebreich - with his extensive background in both engineering and finance - asks tough and insightful questions of his guests. I noticed this again this week in his interview of Ben van Beurden, former CEO of Shell.

    Cleaning Up brings a cutting edge view of the energy transition, both in terms of what’s driving it and what is blocking it.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    RogerlG
    Canada6 months ago

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Inside Europe’s Largest AI Data Centre: A Green Giant Rises | Ep235: Robert Dunn
Q: Can you just tell us how much, because you are building the building and the cooling and some of the electrical infrastructure which we'll get into, and then your customers are filling it with the GPUs, with the chips, with all the equipment, how much is, when it reaches 1.2 gigawatts, when it's fully built out as a campus?
We're looking at 40 billion of IT equipment going in to add on to the 10 billion that we're spending.
Inside Europe’s Largest AI Data Centre: A Green Giant Rises | Ep235: Robert Dunn
Q: Can you explain in your own words who are you and what is it exactly that you're doing here?
I'm Rob Dunn. I'm the CEO of Start Campus. We're here in Portugal building Europe's largest and most sustainable data center.
⁠The €65 Billion Plan to Modernise Germany’s Grids | Ep233: Tim Meyerjürgens
Q: What is the time frame in reality between those two events?
It has improved very much. So until three, four years ago, we were an average 10 to 12 years. With the last government under Robert Habeck, there were a lot of acceleration measures also supported by the European Commission with an emergency regulation because of the war in the Ukraine and the energy crisis. That brought down the realization times to five to eight years.
⁠The €65 Billion Plan to Modernise Germany’s Grids | Ep233: Tim Meyerjürgens
Q: If I come back to the example that I mentioned before, Garnet Kiesingang-Tulfel, this was one of the very first lines that we built for the energy transition. How long does it take from the moment where you say, do you know what, we just need to build a new line, or we need to create a new capacity for, to connect up, to create new grid connections?
This took 20 years, 20 years and 17 of those were permitting and licensing.
The US Just Sank Shipping's Big Plan for Decarbonization, What Now? | Ep229: Tristan Smith
Q: What was on the table at the IMO meeting this week?
The policy package included a mandate for reducing the greenhouse gas intensity of energy used by ships by 65%.

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Episodes frequently explore pressing topics related to clean energy, climate finance, and sustainable development, featuring leaders and experts in these fields. Conversations shed light on complex issues ranging from the energy transition and regulatory challenges to the intersection of politics and climate action. Through engaging dialogues, listeners gain insights into strategies and innovations driving the clean energy sector forward, while also addressing the urgent need for sustainable practices globally. The show stands out for its commitment to presenting diverse perspectives and critical analyses of contemporary climate challenges, making it a valuable resource for individuals seeking clarity and depth in discussions about environm... more

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