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Cleaning Up: Leadership in an Age of Climate Change

Michael Liebreich, Bryony Worthington
Climate Change
Renewable Energy
Electric Vehicles
Energy Transition
Fossil Fuels
China
Clean Energy
Solar Energy
Hydrogen
Sustainability
Climate Policy
Clean Energy Transition
Inflation Reduction Act
Nuclear Energy
Energy Efficiency
Data Centers
Green Hydrogen
Electrification
Geoengineering
Australia

Once a week, Michael Liebreich and Bryony Worthington have a conversation with a leader in clean energy, mobility, climate finance or sustainable development. Informative, inspiring and fun!

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Indonesia is facing a defining question: can it continue to grow its economy while making the shift towards a greener future? In this episode of Cleaning Up, guest host Marie Cheong speaks with Sandiaga Uno, chair of Mutuagung Lestari International a... more

One of the biggest questions when it comes to the brutal and drawn-out Russia-Ukraine war is how it can be brought to an end, and crucially, could it ever be replaced by a stable peace? To understand this, we have to ask not just where we are now, bu... more

The world needs more metals than ever before, but can the mining industry deliver the resources responsibly? The energy transition depends on the mining industry, yet the sector faces hard questions over coal, carbon emissions, environmental damage a... more

Can you make energy investments work in a country at war? Since Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022, repeated attacks on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure have devastated its power system. By spring 2024, the country’s dispatchable generating capacity... more

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Recent Guests

John E. Herbst
Senior Director of the Atlantic Council's Eurasia Center and former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine
Atlantic Council
Episode: How Will The Russia-Ukraine War Come To An End? Deep Dive Ukraine 03: John E. Herbst
Rohitesh Dhawan
Economist and sustainability leader, president and CEO of the International Council on Mining and Metals
International Council on Mining and Metals
Episode: We Need More Metals Than Ever. But at What Cost? | Ep279: Rohitesh Dhawan
Andrii Gerus
Chair of the Ukrainian Parliament's Committee on Energy, Housing and Utility Services
Ukrainian Parliament
Episode: The Race to Rebuild Ukraine's Energy Infrastructure | Deep Dive 02: Andrii Gerus & Dmytro Boroday
Dmytro Boroday
Partner at Horizon Capital and leader of its Catalyst Fund
Horizon Capital
Episode: The Race to Rebuild Ukraine's Energy Infrastructure | Deep Dive 02: Andrii Gerus & Dmytro Boroday
Alexander De Croo
Former Prime Minister of Belgium and Administrator of the United Nations Development Programme
United Nations Development Programme
Episode: How Energy Security Became National Security | Ep278: Alexander De Croo
Oleksandr Tolokonnikov
Deputy Head of the Kherson Regional Military Administration
Kherson Regional Military Administration
Episode: How Ukraine Can Survive Another Brutal Winter | Ukraine Deep Dive 01
Sorina Seitvelieva
Co-owner of Musafir, a Crimean Tatar restaurant in Kyiv
Musafir
Episode: How Ukraine Can Survive Another Brutal Winter | Ukraine Deep Dive 01
Emine Emirsalieva
Co-owner of Musafir, a Crimean Tatar restaurant in Kyiv
Musafir
Episode: How Ukraine Can Survive Another Brutal Winter | Ukraine Deep Dive 01
Oleksandr Kozhukhar
Head of the High Voltage Network Operations Department at DTEK Kyiv Grids
DTEK Kyiv Grids
Episode: How Ukraine Can Survive Another Brutal Winter | Ukraine Deep Dive 01

Hosts

Michael Liebreich
Host of the series; longtime energy/finance expert with a track record in clean energy analysis.
Bryony Worthington
Co-host with a policy and advocacy background, frequently guiding discussions with a focus on governance and practical climate policy.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 720 ratings
  • Everyone should hear this

    One of the top three sources of information helping me keep my sanity and optimism about the future state of the world. Such a skill at conversation and breaking down this transition in a digestible way.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Brina Elle
    United States3 months ago
  • Climate action is about sharing the benefits of development

    It is not about burden- sharing. So true Professor Ning Li and Bryony!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    zi ying cav
    Australia4 months ago
  • Excellent

    This show is the best source of information for people interested in a pragmatic dissection of the benefits, costs and challenges of the energy transition. It provides a great source of grounded optimism about the future with discussions with leaders directly involved in making the transition happen.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Blair-12345_
    Australia8 months ago
  • A must listen show. Brilliant

    Well-thought episodes with excellent guests. I am always looking forward to getting new insights.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    timbms
    Germany9 months ago
  • Self congratulating capitalist tripe

    If you want to hear a bunch of privileged capitalists get together and tell each other how great they are at saving the world and being eco warriors then this is for you. It’s pathetic, flimsy and superficial. The only episode I listened to was a tour around the inside of Europe’s largest data centre. It’s sickening how much money is being poured into protecting chips when there is so much human tragedy in the world. Vulnerable women, children and babies the world over are dealing with war, fami... more

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Newecass
    Ireland10 months ago

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Engaging debates with strong questioning and factual depth.
Clear, rigorous, and optimistic on energy transition.
High-quality discussions with diverse perspectives on climate action.
Guests bring practical insights from policy and industry.

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We Need More Metals Than Ever. But at What Cost? | Ep279: Rohitesh Dhawan
Q: Does responsible mining add time to opening new mines, and can permitting be made faster without weakening safeguards?
Dhawan says environmental baselining, water protections and community consent can add time but help prevent costly shutdowns. He proposes conducting permitting steps in parallel and using technologies such as AI while maintaining standards.
We Need More Metals Than Ever. But at What Cost? | Ep279: Rohitesh Dhawan
Q: What concrete action do you expect coal-producing members to take on their Scope 3 emissions?
Dhawan points to mining companies co-investing with steelmakers in replacing metallurgical coal with hydrogen, reducing direct emissions and improving coal quality to lower emissions in steel production.
How Will The Russia-Ukraine War Come To An End? Deep Dive Ukraine 03: John E. Herbst
Q: How do you think the war ends?
Herbst says several outcomes are possible, including a frozen front line, Russian withdrawal or collapse, or Putin deciding to make peace. He considers requiring Ukraine to surrender unconquered territory a dangerous and unlikely route to stable peace.
How Will The Russia-Ukraine War Come To An End? Deep Dive Ukraine 03: John E. Herbst
Q: Where did the conflict start, and was NATO responsible for provoking Russia's invasion of Ukraine?
Herbst says Russia invaded because it would not accept Ukraine's sovereignty and wanted to keep the country under Moscow's control. He describes claims that NATO caused the war as Kremlin talking points, and says the 2008 Bucharest summit did not grant Ukraine or Georgia a Membership Action Plan.
How Energy Security Became National Security | Ep278: Alexander De Croo
Q: What does efficient de-risking look like in 2026, especially if you're trying to bring in the private sector?
De Croo distinguishes financial de-risking, such as blended capital and guarantees, from non-financial measures including political stability, predictable laws, transparency and mechanisms for resolving disputes. He says the policy and institutional conditions can be even more important.

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A thoughtful, in-depth series that pairs leading figures from policy, finance, technology, and industry with probing questions about the energy transition, climate policy, and sustainable development. Episodes frequently center on practical challenges and trade-offs in decarbonization—ranging from grid resilience and storage to carbon pricing, international diplomacy, and regional policy design—while also highlighting personal journeys, leadership styles, and the politics behind big-scale change. A notable strength is the willingness to challenge conventional wisdom, explore tough trade-offs, and bring together voices from government, industry, academia, and entrepreneurship to illuminate realistic pathways to a cleaner future.

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