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Cleaning Up: Leadership in an Age of Climate Change

Michael Liebreich, Bryony Worthington
Climate Change
Renewable Energy
Electric Vehicles
Energy Transition
Fossil Fuels
Clean Energy
China
Sustainability
Solar Energy
Clean Energy Transition
Inflation Reduction Act
Climate Policy
Hydrogen
Nuclear Energy
Green Hydrogen
Energy Efficiency
Geoengineering
Data Centers
Decarbonization
Geothermal Energy

Once a week, Michael Liebreich and Bryony Worthington have a conversation with a leader in clean energy, mobility, climate finance or sustainable development. Informative, inspiring and fun!

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Every single scenario for the future that looks at a cleaner energy system has electrification growing to 60, 70, 80% or more, and yet we don't make rapid progress. Why?

One of the reasons we don't make progress lies in narratives and culture wars. ... more

This week Cleaning Up is back in Brussels, with a deep dive into European energy policy as the continent grapples with the reality of ambitious climate targets, very high energy prices and the vulnerabilities of first Russia's attack on Ukraine, and ... more

What happens when global energy supply chains can no longer be trusted? Has the U.S. given up its edge in the clean energy race to China? And can politics keep up with the speed of the energy transition and the rise of AI?

This week on Cleaning Up, ... more

The news agenda this year has been entirely dominated by energy related stories, whether it's the war in Europe being pursued by Russia — formerly Europe's most significant energy provider — the U.S. capturing the head of state of Venezuela — which h... more

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Recent Guests

Thomas Pellerin-Carlin
Energy analyst and European Parliament member (Socialists)
European Parliament, Place Public / Sozialistische Partei connections mentioned
Episode: Europe Needs Clean Tech More Than Ever | Ep 255: Thomas Pellerin-Carlin
Jennifer Granholm
Former U.S. Secretary of Energy; energy policy leader; current energy consultant and Senior Counselor for Advisory Firm DGA
Energy policy leadership; DGA Advisory; former Biden administration
Episode: The Era Of Fossil Fuel Unreliability Has Begun | Ep 254: Jennifer Granholm
Fatih Birol
Executive Director of the International Energy Agency
International Energy Agency
Episode: The Mother of All Energy Crises | Ep253: Fatih Birol
Pierre Wunsch
Governor, National Bank of Belgium
National Bank of Belgium
Episode: ⁠Energy Shocks, Inflation & Risk: How a Central Bank Responds to Crisis | Ep252: Pierre Wunsch
Ricken Patel
Founder and CEO of Avaaz
Avaaz
Episode: Can We Cool The Planet, And Should We Try? | Ep251: Ricken Patel
Emmanouil Kakaras
Technology evangelist, former EVP for Green Transition at Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Episode: Heavy Engineering Solutions for High-Emission Problems | Ep250: Emmanouil Kakaras
Varun Sivaram
CEO of Emerald AI
Emerald AI
Episode: Can We Stop Data Centres Breaking The Grid? Ep249: Varun Sivaram & Steve Smith
Steve Smith
President National Grid Partners
National Grid Partners
Episode: Can We Stop Data Centres Breaking The Grid? Ep249: Varun Sivaram & Steve Smith
Fiona Howarth
Founder of Octopus Electric Vehicles
Octopus Energy / Octopus Electric Vehicles
Episode: Are Fossil Fuel Cars About to Have Their Kodak Moment? Ep248: Fiona Howarth

Hosts

Bryony Worthington
Co-host with a focus on environmental advocacy and sustainable development.
Michael Liebreich
Host with extensive experience in clean energy and finance, providing insightful critiques and discussions.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 694 ratings
  • Excellent

    This show is the best source of information for people interested in a pragmatic dissection of the benefits, costs and challenges of the energy transition. It provides a great source of grounded optimism about the future with discussions with leaders directly involved in making the transition happen.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Blair-12345_
    Australia2 months ago
  • A must listen show. Brilliant

    Well-thought episodes with excellent guests. I am always looking forward to getting new insights.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    timbms
    Germany3 months ago
  • Self congratulating capitalist tripe

    If you want to hear a bunch of privileged capitalists get together and tell each other how great they are at saving the world and being eco warriors then this is for you. It’s pathetic, flimsy and superficial. The only episode I listened to was a tour around the inside of Europe’s largest data centre. It’s sickening how much money is being poured into protecting chips when there is so much human tragedy in the world. Vulnerable women, children and babies the world over are dealing with war, fami... more

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    1
    Newecass
    Ireland4 months ago
  • Great podcast series from an OG!

    Liebreich has been involved with renewable energy for many years, starting Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF) years ago and his experience shows. Many of these episodes include captivating discussions and clarity around current issues in renewables. Liebreich isn’t shy on providing his well researched opinion and rationale behind it.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    He's Thrifty Allright
    United States9 months ago
  • Excellent, fascinating and important info from experts!

    Podcast Addict
    5
    SCSierraDave
    9 months ago

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Europe Needs Clean Tech More Than Ever | Ep 255: Thomas Pellerin-Carlin
Q: Thomas, can you summarize how energy policy actually gets made in Europe today?
Europe relies on a mix of regulations, directives, investment instruments, and enabling tools, with a push for predictability and gradual implementation across member states to coordinate a continent-wide transition.
⁠Energy Shocks, Inflation & Risk: How a Central Bank Responds to Crisis | Ep252: Pierre Wunsch
Q: How do you view the role of carbon pricing given practical concerns about credibility and long-term investment?
The guest argues for a credible, clear carbon price trajectory complemented by subsidies and R&D to address the expensive, long-horizon technologies, noting that markets discount uncertain long-run prices and that policy design must consider political feasibility and instrument credibility.
⁠Energy Shocks, Inflation & Risk: How a Central Bank Responds to Crisis | Ep252: Pierre Wunsch
Q: Governor, what happens when there is a sudden commodity price spike while you are running a national bank?
The guest explains that historically shocks were seen as temporary, but persistence and integrated fiscal responses can change the effect on inflation, requiring ongoing assessment and possible policy responses when energy prices remain elevated or feed through into wages and prices.
The Mother of All Energy Crises | Ep253: Fatih Birol
Q: How does the IEA view the balance between immediate crisis management and longer-term energy strategy?
Birol emphasizes three pillars—stock releases to stabilize markets, international diplomacy to coordinate supply, and targeted demand reduction—while underscoring that long-term changes such as expanding renewables, extending nuclear, and advancing new technologies are essential for resilience, not just crisis response.
The Mother of All Energy Crises | Ep253: Fatih Birol
Q: Where did the conversation about the IEA's role and the decision-making behind the oil stock release end up, and what happens next?
Birol explains that the IEA operates as a data-driven organization with consensus from 55 member governments, and that discussions continually aim to balance energy security with climate goals, with ongoing ministerial dialogues shaping next steps and the next World Energy Outlook.

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2. Jennifer Granholm
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7. Varun Sivaram
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