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Clause 8

Eli Mazour
Intellectual Property
USPTO
Patents
Artificial Intelligence
Patent Pools
Standard Essential Patents
Innovation
Coke Morgan Stewart
U.S. Patent and Trademark Office
PTAB
Via Licensing Alliance
IP Commercialization
Patent Strategy
Patent Law
Patent Examination
Section 101
Startups
AI In IP Management
Avanci
Performance Appraisal Plan

Clause 8 is the long-form IP podcast hosted by Eli Mazour, featuring conversations with the people and forces shaping the patent system. Its audience includes sophisticated in-house counsel, judges, IP policymakers, senior USPTO officials, patent dealmakers, and leading practitioners. The show is designed to help listeners stay ahead of the curve by understanding not just the latest patent develop... more

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When Coke Morgan Stewart became acting director of the USPTO, much of the patent world knew little about her. In this episode of Clause 8, Stewart, now President and CEO of the Council for Innovation Promotion (C4IP), sits down with host Eli Mazour t... more

To open the season, host Eli Mazour brings together three journalists who cover intellectual property for a living: Olivia Rafferty of IP Fray, Nisha Shetty of IAM, and Inbar Preiss of MLex.

They discuss what happens when patent litigation concentra... more

Kevin Mack, the new president of Via Licensing Alliance, joins Eli for the Clause 8 season finale.

Kevin talks about Via's plans to build its next patent pools around "de facto" standards — technology the market adopted on its own, with no standards... more

Bruce Lehman, head of USPTO from 1993 to 1998, joins Clause 8 for a wide-ranging conversation about the modern IP system, the internet boom, and why the AI era may require a new copyright response from Congress.

Lehman helped shape internet-era copy... more

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Recent Guests

Coke Morgan Stewart
Acting Director of USPTO
USPTO
Episode: Coke Morgan Stewart Tells Her Story
Olivia Rafferty
Reporter at IP Fray
IP Fray
Episode: How Patent Litigation Really Moves: IAM, IP Fray, and MLex Reporters on the Year in IP
Nisha Shetty
Reporter at IAM
IAM
Episode: How Patent Litigation Really Moves: IAM, IP Fray, and MLex Reporters on the Year in IP
Inbar Preiss
Reporter at MLex
MLex
Episode: How Patent Litigation Really Moves: IAM, IP Fray, and MLex Reporters on the Year in IP
Kevin Mack
Newly appointed president of Via Licensing Alliance (the world's largest patent pool administrator)
Via Licensing Alliance
Episode: Via Eyes "De Facto" Standards for Future Pools
Bruce Lehman
Former head of the USPTO (1993-1998), central architect of the DMCA
United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO)
Episode: AI Boom Calls for New Copyright Law, Says USPTO Chief Behind the DMCA
Ngai Zhang
Partner at Foley & Lardner
Foley & Lardner
Episode: The AI Patent Team Alice Built Shares Its Prosecution Secrets
Gil Hyatt
Inventor and proponent of the Pioneering AI Foundation, with a long history in AI and patent battles
Independent inventor / innovator
Episode: Inventor Gilbert Hyatt's gift to America — will America accept it?
Kristen Osenga
Associate Dean and Professor at the University of Richmond Law School; former Federal Circuit clerk; founder of Inventors Defense Alliance
University of Richmond School of Law
Episode: The Hidden Costs of “Free” Patent Licensing Initiatives

Host

Eli Mazour
Host focused on IP policy, strategy, and interviews with leading innovators and policymakers.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 58 ratings
  • Best Podcast for Patent Law

    A must listen for anyone interested in patent law and IP policy

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    旅游boy
    United States4 years ago
  • Great interviews

    Whether you are an experienced professional or someone looking to get into the field, Clause 8 is a great source of info from a variety of sources. Eli has top notch guests and asks great questions.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Cmehaller
    United States5 years ago
  • Well done podcast

    Very interesting patent law podcast. Would recommend to anyone in the field.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Danny patent
    United States6 years ago
  • Intellectual...Property

    Intellectual Property is a facet of society that has an impact on all of us.

    Started listening to this podcast to try and gain insight into IP, and what is going on currently to help me- as a consumer.

    After googling Eli Mazour, I was able to see he had dedicated his life to this cause.

    Most impressive is the caliber of guests he is able to interview. Truly, movers and shakers within the field.

    Always an interesting listen!

    UPDATE: Eli Mazour always managing to get top notch guests on the... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ashdizzledeez
    United States6 years ago
  • Clause 8 gives us Expert Incite in the Patent Field

    I am privileged to have Eli as a colleague at H&H. Not only are his guests experts, but Eli is an expert himself as a goto resource for any and all patent eligibility issues/questions. It is great to hear him getting the word out on the world of patents and IP!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    KRH II
    United States7 years ago

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Audience notes the depth and breadth of IP topics covered
Many appreciate practical takeaways for policy and practice
Listeners praise the host's access to top IP leaders and high-caliber guests
Fans highlight accessible, engaging interviews with industry movers

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#29
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#133
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#228
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#250
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Talking Points

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Coke Morgan Stewart Tells Her Story
Q: What is your view on AI and IP policy as it intersects with USPTO operations?
AI will transform patent examination by enabling access to file histories, prior art, and decisions; the focus should be on high-quality training materials and thoughtful licensing regimes to balance innovation and access, rather than halting AI progress.
Coke Morgan Stewart Tells Her Story
Q: How did you view the role of discretionary institution decisions and settled expectations in the AIA framework?
The core idea was balance and practicality: the director makes the institution decision but should weigh reliance interests and real-world factors, not just legalistic tests; this approach aims to stabilize the system and make patent policy reflect how patents are used in business.
Coke Morgan Stewart Tells Her Story
Q: What were the biggest early operational challenges when you took the helm?
The backlog was the immediate crisis, followed by a federal hiring freeze. We secured a large hiring exception to hire hundreds of patent examiners quickly, while balancing telework policies and union considerations to keep the workforce moving.
Coke Morgan Stewart Tells Her Story
Q: When did you first realize you might become Acting Director, and what steps did you take to pursue it?
I started by talking to people connected to the campaign and gradually moved toward interviews; I didn't think it would happen, but after an interview with Howard Lutnick and subsequent presidential personnel steps, I remained hopeful and ultimately was offered the Deputy Director role and then the chance to lead day-to-day operations.
Via Eyes "De Facto" Standards for Future Pools
Q: How did you come to work with patent pools, and what was your first impression?
My initial gut reaction was that patent pools are a great construct that creates win-win opportunities for both licensors and licensees, aligning business, law, and technology.

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The show centers IP policy, patent law, and licensing, featuring in-depth conversations with technologists, policymakers, and industry leaders who shape how patents, standards, and enforcement impact innovation ecosystems. Episodes frequently explore topics like patent pools, SEP licensing, 101/112 patentability issues, and regulatory reform, often weaving personal career journeys with practical guidance for practitioners. Notably, the host tends to secure high-caliber guests ranging from former USPTO leaders and lawmakers to senior IP executives, delivering thoughtful, policy-forward discussions with actionable takeaways for legal teams, dealmakers, and tech innovators.

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Recent guests on Clause 8 include:

1. Coke Morgan Stewart
2. Olivia Rafferty
3. Nisha Shetty
4. Inbar Preiss
5. Kevin Mack
6. Bruce Lehman
7. Ngai Zhang
8. Gil Hyatt

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