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Clause 8

Eli Mazour
Intellectual Property
USPTO
Patents
Artificial Intelligence
Patent Pools
Standard Essential Patents
Innovation
Coke Morgan Stewart
U.S. Patent and Trademark Office
Via Licensing Alliance
IP Commercialization
Patent Strategy
Patent Law
PTAB
Patent Examination
Section 101
Startups
AI In IP Management
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Performance Appraisal Plan

The podcast listened to by sophisticated in-house counsel, judges from around the world, IP policymakers, senior USPTO officials, and top patent dealmakers and attorneys to stay ahead of the curve by understanding the personalities and forces shaping IP. Eli Mazour’s love of talking to people – along with his belief in the importance of America’s patent system – led him to start Clause 8. Clause 8... more

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Kevin Mack, the new president of Via Licensing Alliance, joins Eli for the Clause 8 season finale.

Kevin talks about Via's plans to build its next patent pools around "de facto" standards — technology the market adopted on its own, with no standards... more

Bruce Lehman, head of USPTO from 1993 to 1998, joins Clause 8 for a wide-ranging conversation about the modern IP system, the internet boom, and why the AI era may require a new copyright response from Congress.

Lehman helped shape internet-era copy... more

When Alice came down in 2014, much of the patent prosecution bar reacted with denial. Most practitioners hoped the USPTO, the Federal Circuit, or Congress would clean things up — and that adding some magic language to claims and specifications would ... more

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President Trump and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick pride themselves on being dealmakers and on making the kind of unconventional deals for America no one else could have gotten done. Gil Hyatt is offering them one that sounds like a no-brainer. Ho... more

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Kevin Mack
Newly appointed president of Via Licensing Alliance (the world's largest patent pool administrator)
Via Licensing Alliance
Episode: Via Eyes "De Facto" Standards for Future Pools
Bruce Lehman
Former head of the USPTO (1993-1998), central architect of the DMCA
United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO)
Episode: AI Boom Calls for New Copyright Law, Says USPTO Chief Behind the DMCA
Ngai Zhang
Partner at Foley & Lardner
Foley & Lardner
Episode: The AI Patent Team Alice Built Shares Its Prosecution Secrets
Gil Hyatt
Inventor and proponent of the Pioneering AI Foundation, with a long history in AI and patent battles
Independent inventor / innovator
Episode: Inventor Gilbert Hyatt's gift to America — will America accept it?
Kristen Osenga
Associate Dean and Professor at the University of Richmond Law School; former Federal Circuit clerk; founder of Inventors Defense Alliance
University of Richmond School of Law
Episode: The Hidden Costs of “Free” Patent Licensing Initiatives
Doug Pittman
Serial entrepreneur and patent owner who discusses his IP journey, licensing battles, and reform ideas
Episode: USPTO Director John Squires' 'Foxhole Buddy' Tells All, Previews Message at Upcoming House Hearing
Francesca Cruz
SVP of Intellectual Property Solutions at Juristat
Juristat
Episode: The USPTO Is Changing Course. The Early Examination Data Tells a More Complicated Story.
Wen Xie
US patent attorney and founder of Lux Lumen Intellectual Property
Lux Lumen Intellectual Property
Episode: From DABUS to ChatGPT and Beyond: How AI Is Reshaping Patent Law
Peter-Anthony Pappas
Director of Intellectual Property Policy for the US Senate Judiciary Committee; former USPTO examiner and senior advisor to Andrei Iancu
U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee
Episode: How Senator Tillis’ Patent Leadership Provides Path for Cementing Recent USPTO Action

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Eli Mazour
Host of discussions on patents and intellectual property issues, engaging with leading experts to provide insights into the ever-evolving field of IP law.

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5.0 out of 5 stars from 58 ratings
  • Best Podcast for Patent Law

    A must listen for anyone interested in patent law and IP policy

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    旅游boy
    United States4 years ago
  • Great interviews

    Whether you are an experienced professional or someone looking to get into the field, Clause 8 is a great source of info from a variety of sources. Eli has top notch guests and asks great questions.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Cmehaller
    United States4 years ago
  • Well done podcast

    Very interesting patent law podcast. Would recommend to anyone in the field.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Danny patent
    United States5 years ago
  • Intellectual...Property

    Intellectual Property is a facet of society that has an impact on all of us.

    Started listening to this podcast to try and gain insight into IP, and what is going on currently to help me- as a consumer.

    After googling Eli Mazour, I was able to see he had dedicated his life to this cause.

    Most impressive is the caliber of guests he is able to interview. Truly, movers and shakers within the field.

    Always an interesting listen!

    UPDATE: Eli Mazour always managing to get top notch guests on the... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ashdizzledeez
    United States6 years ago
  • Clause 8 gives us Expert Incite in the Patent Field

    I am privileged to have Eli as a colleague at H&H. Not only are his guests experts, but Eli is an expert himself as a goto resource for any and all patent eligibility issues/questions. It is great to hear him getting the word out on the world of patents and IP!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    KRH II
    United States7 years ago

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Listeners praise the podcast for its expert interviews and in-depth insights into patent law and intellectual property.
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Via Eyes "De Facto" Standards for Future Pools
Q: How did you come to work with patent pools, and what was your first impression?
My initial gut reaction was that patent pools are a great construct that creates win-win opportunities for both licensors and licensees, aligning business, law, and technology.
The AI Patent Team Alice Built Shares Its Prosecution Secrets
Q: How should you structure a claim set to reflect the technical story?
Start with a broad, well-contextualized first claim that ties back to the technical story, and ensure subsequent claims and amendments preserve breadth while anchoring the invention in its underlying technology rather than ancillary business use cases.
The AI Patent Team Alice Built Shares Its Prosecution Secrets
Q: Why are examiner interviews valuable in achieving allowance?
Examiner interviews surface the examiner's thinking, surface possible amendments they themselves propose, and help align the application with the examiner's expectations, increasing the chances of an agreed path to allowance.
The AI Patent Team Alice Built Shares Its Prosecution Secrets
Q: What was the pivotal moment that changed your approach to patent prosecution after Alice?
The pivotal moment was realizing that integrating a narrative about the technical improvement, as illustrated by Core Wireless, makes the invention's story clear and persuasive to the examiner, shaping how the entire application should read from the first page onward.
AI Boom Calls for New Copyright Law, Says USPTO Chief Behind the DMCA
Q: What were the biggest issues you hoped to tackle when you became USPTO director, and how did you approach them?
He highlights reforming the Patent Office to be more funded and technocratically capable, pushing for stronger IP protections while navigating international trade agreements, and balancing civil service constraints with presidential policy leadership to push forward on technology transfer, international harmonization, and patent policy.

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Focusing on the complex world of intellectual property, these discussions engage a diverse group of experts, including judges, policymakers, and industry leaders. The conversations revolve around various facets of patent law, current trends, challenges, and strategic insights essential for navigating the patent system effectively. Unique topics can range from the implications of recent legislation to in-depth analyses of patent pools and valuation, all presented through high-profile interviews with informed guests like top attorneys and innovators.

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1. Kevin Mack
2. Bruce Lehman
3. Ngai Zhang
4. Gil Hyatt
5. Kristen Osenga
6. Doug Pittman
7. Francesca Cruz
8. Wen Xie

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