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Between The Covers : Conversations with Writers in Fiction, Nonfiction & Poetry

David Naimon, Milkweed Editions
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Today’s episode, recorded live at the 2nd annual Portland Poetry Confluence, is a conversation between two National Book Award winners, Lena Khalaf Tuffaha in poetry and Omar El Akkad in prose. We use the essay “Notes on Craft: Writing in the Hour of... more

Ursula K. Le Guin titled her introduction to Ursula K. Le Guin: Conversations on Writing “Fear and Loathing in the Interview,” and in it she said: “The good interview is like a good badminton rally: you know right away that the two of you can keep th... more

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Layli Long Soldier returns to the show to discuss her latest remarkable poetry collection We (and/or Wé). We talk about these two connotations of we/wé, the questions of address, audience, identity and kinship implicit in them both. We explore the ma... more

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Today’s unforgettable archival conversation with Elvia Wilk was recorded in-person in 2019 on the occasion of the release of her debut novel Oval. Wilk takes questions of self and other, nature and culture, human and non-human into the dystopic near-... more

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Lidia Yuknavitch
Bestselling author of The Chronology of Water, The Book of Joan, and Thrust
Episode: Milkweed Live: Ursula K. Le Guin Conversations on Writing with David Naimon & Lidia Yuknavitch
Layli Long Soldier
Poet and visual artist, author of We and Whereas
Episode: Layli Long Soldier : We
Elvia Wilk
Author of Oval
Soft Skull Press
Episode: From the Archives : Elvia Wilk : Oval
Marlon James
Author of Black Leopard, Red Wolf; Booker Prize winner for A Brief History of Seven Killings
Author, The Disappearers; Black Leopard, Red Wolf
Episode: From the Archives : Marlon James : Black Leopard, Red Wolf
Geordi Rosenberg
Writer, thinker, and recent guest who asks questions in the interview
Writer (Night Night Fawn discussion)
Episode: China Miéville : The Rouse
Paul Tremblay
Author of horror and crime novels, contributor of a quick question
Author
Episode: China Miéville : The Rouse
Tarek Goddard
Founder and publisher of Zero Books and Repeater Books
Zero Books / Repeater Books
Episode: China Miéville : The Rouse
Thalia Field
Writer/artist and contributor to Creature Needs
Author of It Lasts Forever and Then It's Over; Creature Needs contributor
Episode: Milkweed Live : Creature Needs with Thalia Field, David Naimon & Anne de Marcken
Anne de Marcken
Moderator; author and publisher
The Third Thing (small press)
Episode: Milkweed Live : Creature Needs with Thalia Field, David Naimon & Anne de Marcken

Host

David Naimon
Host of Between The Covers, guiding conversations with writers and shaping deep literary dialogue

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 915 ratings
  • Thoughts

    I like this podcasts but the interventions by the host are way too long it ceases to become a conversation with the guest and simply turns into a showcase of the host’s writing and research skills

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    Fanon’s dreams
    Australia2 months ago
  • So Good

    As others have written this podcast is to be greatly admired. David, the host, has clearly done a huge amount of reading/ research prior to each episode so the explorations with each of the authors interviewed are so rewarding to listen to. I am immensely grateful to be able to listen to this podcast and wholly recommend it to anyone who is / might be interested in literature. Thank you.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    PineGroveCharlie
    United Kingdom7 months ago
  • What a gift!

    I decided to go back to the beginning while I wait for a new conversation. I’m so grateful for the expansive archive you’ve built and made accessible. And I’m re-listening, too. I’m going back for another dose of you and Brandon Shimoda. We need a kind of club for these chats. I don’t even know where to start with that. I feel bereft after each podcast. Every last one.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Jobitek
    Canada8 months ago
  • Thrilling and thought-provoking

    Thank you for the episode with the glorious Robin Coste Lewis

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Lisa Blumenfeld
    United Statesa year ago
  • Incredibly rich and deep

    Absolutely gorgeous guests, thoughtful preparation and profound conversations. My only request would be for the host to speak about 40% less to let the guests take up more time. While David’s questions are often so rich and steeped in care, sometimes they tend to center him and his thinking instead of the guest. I still found both episodes I listened to deeply moving and transcendent but I did find myself craving more of the guest’s voice. Thank you though that this exists what a gift!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    LLaurenne
    United Statesa year ago

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Listeners praise the host's meticulous preparation and thoughtful questions.
Guests consistently provide rich, nuanced discussions and deep dives into their work.
Some listeners wish guests had more speaking time to foreground their voices.
The archive is described as a valuable resource with extensive research linked to episodes.
Content is noted as highly rewarding for serious readers, though occasionally dense.

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How this podcast ranks in the Apple Podcasts, Spotify and YouTube charts.

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#87
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#235
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#52
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#135
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#27
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#76
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Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Milkweed Live: Ursula K. Le Guin Conversations on Writing with David Naimon & Lidia Yuknavitch
Q: Is Ursula K. Le Guin beyond reproach, given critiques of her portrayals of civilizations, anthropology, and world building?
Naimon describes the way Le Guin's views and writing evolved while acknowledging genuine limits in her treatment of race and culture. Yuknavitch says readers should continue to question and challenge the work, rather than expect a writer to have anticipated later political debates.
Milkweed Live: Ursula K. Le Guin Conversations on Writing with David Naimon & Lidia Yuknavitch
Q: How does one build rapport with Ursula Le Guin?
Naimon says narrowing their conversations to the specific book in front of them helped reduce the pressure of her stature and establish rapport.
Layli Long Soldier : We
Q: What does it mean to be in good relation, who is included in that relationship, and what obligations do people have within it?
Long Soldier describes obligations as reciprocal care for relatives, family, and the earth. In her understanding of Lakota kinship, relatives include all of creation, and calling someone a relative carries responsibilities rather than merely expressing easy familiarity.
Layli Long Soldier : We
Q: What might you like to share about the need for Native artists to work as educators and activists through their practices, and how do you balance that with creative freedom?
Long Soldier says she cannot prescribe what artists should make. She chose to write about the experience at her child's school because it mattered to the Native students and her community, and encourages artists to follow what continues to demand their attention.
China Miéville : The Rouse
Q: Do you see The Rouse as allegorical, or is it something that resists straightforward allegory?
Miéville argues that while there are thematic resonances with politics and philosophy, the book resists simple allegory, aiming for constitutive ambiguity and a form that can bear multiple meanings simultaneously.

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A rigorous literary interview series that foregrounds deep reading and cross-genre conversation. Guests span fiction, nonfiction, and poetry, with episodes often centering memory, language, borders, care, and world-building through archive, translation, and form. The host's meticulous preparation and broad scholarly reach yield conversations that feel like guided tours of a writer's corpus, making it a strong fit for listeners who want thoughtful, scholarly, and practice-informed discussion about books, ideas, and their real-world contexts.

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1. Lidia Yuknavitch
2. Layli Long Soldier
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5. Geordi Rosenberg
6. Paul Tremblay
7. Tarek Goddard
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