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Against the Rules with Michael Lewis

Pushkin Industries
BusinessSociety & Culture

Journalist and bestselling author Michael Lewis (Liar's Poker, Moneyball) takes a searing look at what’s happened to fairness. It feels like there's less of it every day—whether it comes to lending practices, college admissions, professional sports, or psychological well-being. Who are the people trying to level the playing field, and are they making an impact? Lewis interviews referees (Season 1) and coaches (Season 2) from many walks of life, bringing his trademark insight and wry humor to their stories of (in)equality today. iHeartMedia is the exclusive podcast partner of Pushkin Industries.


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4.5 out of 5 stars from 10.1k ratings
  • Season 2

    I loved Season 2, not Season 1 too much, and nothing about what you’re doing or not doing with Season 3. I know that you’re a busy guy with many different things going on. Good luck to you. more

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    United States2 months ago
  • 4 Star Re-education Camps

    I thought I was just going along for the ride although I strongly disagree with the politics. Then came the serious suggestion by Geraldine Brooks and the joking acquiescence by Lewis that Americans need re-education camps, as long as they are 4 - star camps. I guess we’ll have a Communist takeover but we’ll like it!

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    United States2 months ago
  • Michael Lewis Rules

    Move over Malcom and Tim, Michael rules! I loved Gladwell’s Revisionist History and Harford’s Cautionary Tales, but Lewis excels with his engaging storytelling. It may begin as a story about sports or the arts then Lewis shifts the narrative to a larger social or political issue that is having an untoward effect on all of us. Brilliantly crafted and devastating in its aftermath. Kudos to Pushkin for their lineup of podcasts.

    Apple Podcasts
    United States6 months ago
  • So sorry for your loss.

    Life just feels like it’s not worth it sometimes

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    United States7 months ago
  • Thinking of you

    I pray for the relief of your pain.

    Apple Podcasts
    United States7 months ago

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