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Unsupervised Learning with Jacob Effron

by Redpoint Ventures
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We probe the sharpest minds in AI in search for the truth about what’s real today, what will be real in the future and what it all means for businesses and the world. If you’re a builder, researcher or investor navigating the AI world, this podcast will help you deconstruct and understand the most important breakthroughs and see a clearer picture of reality. Follow this show and consider enabling ... more

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This episode is a wide-ranging conversation between Jacob and Swyx (Shawn Wang), an AI engineer, podcaster, and now operator at Cognition, who sits at a uniquely informed intersection of builder, investor, and community organizer in the AI world. The... more

Jakub Pachocki, OpenAI's Chief Scientist, sits down with Jacob to cover the full arc of where AI research stands today and where it's headed. The conversation spans the explosive growth of coding agents and what it signals about near-term AI capabili... more

Serval is one of the fastest-growing AI-native enterprise software companies right now, and this episode is a rare inside look at the deliberate architectural, go-to-market, and talent decisions behind that growth. Jake Stauch breaks down why he made... more

Max Jungestål, CEO of Legora, joins Jacob Effron and Logan Bartlett to discuss the company's $550M Series D and share a candid account of what building an AI-native company at speed actually looks like from the inside.

Max argues that the AI applica... more

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Jakub Pachocki
Chief Scientist at OpenAI
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Episode: Ep 84: OpenAI’s Chief Scientist on Continual Learning Hype, RL Beyond Code, & Future Alignment Directions
Jake Stauch
Founder and CEO of Serval
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Episode: Ep 83: Owning the System of Record, AI-Native Org Charts, & Why ITSM is The Most Vulnerable Legacy Category
Max Jungestål
CEO of Legora
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Episode: Ep 82: Behind Legora's $550M Raise, Model Competition, Doubling Revenue Every Quarter, & US Expansion
Jerry Tworek
Former VP of Research at OpenAI
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Episode: Ep 81: Ex-OpenAI Researcher On Why He Left, His Honest AGI Timeline, & The Limits of Scaling RL
Edwin Chen
CEO of Surge AI
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Episode: Ep 80: CEO of Surge AI Edwin Chen on Why Frontier Labs Are Diverging, RL Environments & Developing Model Taste
Dianne Na Penn
Head of Product for Research at Anthropic
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Episode: Ep 77: Anthropic’s Dianne Na Penn on Opus 4.5, Rethinking Model Scaffolding & Safety as a Competitive Advantage
Ari Morcos
CEO and co-founder of Datalogy AI
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Episode: AI Round Up: Ari Morcos from Datalogy AI and Rob Toews from Radical VC on AI Talent Wars, xAI’s $200B Valuation, & Google’s Comeback
Rob Toews
Partner at Radical Ventures, leading the firm's Bay Area office
Radical Ventures
Episode: AI Round Up: Ari Morcos from Datalogy AI and Rob Toews from Radical VC on AI Talent Wars, xAI’s $200B Valuation, & Google’s Comeback
Oliver Wang
Expert on Nano Banana and image models
Google
Episode: Ep 75: Nano Banana’s Oliver Wang and Nicole Brichtova - Behind the Breakthrough as Gemini Tops the Charts

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Jacob Effron
Host of Unsupervised Learning, Redpoint Ventures

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4.9 out of 5 stars from 228 ratings
  • Awesome podcast

    Great guests great questions love it

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    hadrianwho?
    United Statesa year ago
  • Strongly recommend

    One of the best podcasts in AI.

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    Frank-manu
    Canadaa year ago
  • Incredible

    Thank you so much for this podcast. Very informative and I can’t wait for each episode!

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    Awsedrftgyhujikolm
    United Statesa year ago
  • Thank you Redpoint for doing the hard work of keeping up with AI!

    Amazing way to keep up with AI’s rapidly evolving impact on all sorts of industries! Unsupervised learning, indeed.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    amooradian
    United States3 years ago

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Ep 85: Has AI Infra Stabilized, FM Vibe Shift, & What's Next for Coding Agents
Q: Can you lay out the state of the AI coding wars today?
The space is massive and rapidly expanding, with multiple top players—OpenAI, Anthropic, and others—lining up significant ARR and market presence around coding products. The field is moving beyond basic coding to broader use cases, with continued investment and competition driving rapid feature development and ecosystem growth.
Ep 83: Owning the System of Record, AI-Native Org Charts, & Why ITSM is The Most Vulnerable Legacy Category
Q: How do you approach guardrails and safety in a production enterprise environment?
We architect end-to-end guardrails where end users interact with an agent that does not have direct access to business systems; instead, it routes requests to deterministic, permissioned workflows with explicit approvals and robust verification like code-generation checks and visualization.
Ep 83: Owning the System of Record, AI-Native Org Charts, & Why ITSM is The Most Vulnerable Legacy Category
Q: What makes ITSM a particularly vulnerable space for incumbents in the AI era?
ITSM data is valuable only if it's current and actionable; compared with ERP/CRM, the data used day-to-day is less about historic value and more about immediate operational context, so AI-native disruption can move faster and be more easily adopted.
Ep 83: Owning the System of Record, AI-Native Org Charts, & Why ITSM is The Most Vulnerable Legacy Category
Q: Can you talk through Serval's vision for the product as a system of record vs. a top-layer CTO-facing tool?
We've always believed in doing both: build the full platform (the system of record) while also providing a way to mirror and synchronize with existing systems so you can add value before a full rip-and-replace, making migrations easier and more reliable.
Ep 84: OpenAI’s Chief Scientist on Continual Learning Hype, RL Beyond Code, & Future Alignment Directions
Q: How should builders approach reinforcement learning today in light of current model progress?
Reinforcement learning remains a data-efficient path but should be balanced with prompting-based, context-aware learning; the best approach may involve leveraging large-context interactions rather than solely relying on RL, depending on task and domain.

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What is Unsupervised Learning about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A technology-focused interview show that pulls in leading AI researchers, engineers, and investors to discuss current capabilities, framing the real-world implications for businesses and developers. Episodes frequently center on model design, evaluation, safety, enterprise adoption, and the shifting hardware/software landscape, with guests from OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, and VC firms sharing practical insights on building, evaluating, and deploying AI at scale. The host and guests often challenge hype with first-hand experiences, exploring topics like benchmarking, generalization, data quality, and the future mix of specialized models versus general-purpose systems. A standout through-line is a pragmatic, business-facing view of AI progress... more

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