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Podcast of the Technology Policy Institute of Washington, D.C. The Technology Policy Institute is a think tank that focuses on the economics of innovation, technological change, and related regulation in the United States and around the world. Our mission is to advance knowledge and inform policymakers by producing independent, rigorous research and by sponsoring educational programs and conferenc... more

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Jonathan Nuechterlein and Howard Shelanski on the third edition of Digital Crossroads by Technology Policy Institute

In our latest Two Think Minimum podcast we talk with Stanford Law Professor Michael McConnell about two landmark Supreme Court cases reshaping presidential power. McConnell, who represented challengers in the historic tariff case striking down the Pr... more

In our latest Two Think Minimum podcast, TPI’s Scott Wallsten talks with Jeffrey Macher, Professor at Georgetown University, about new research on how generative AI is changing scientific publishing around the world. Macher discusses evidence that la... more

In this episode of Two Think Minimum, Ambassador Steve Lang, currently a senior advisor at Crest Hill Advisors and non-resident senior associate with CSIS, discusses WRC-27. He is a veteran diplomat and international policy leader. Steve Lang was con... more

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John Nuechterlein
Non-resident senior fellow; distinguished scholar; co-author of Digital Crossroads
The Technology Policy Institute; GW Competition Law Center; Stanford Law School
Episode: Jonathan Nuechterlein and Howard Shelanski on the third edition of Digital Crossroads
Howard Shelanski
Co-head of Antitrust and Competition Practice; professor of law
Davis Polk; Georgetown University
Episode: Jonathan Nuechterlein and Howard Shelanski on the third edition of Digital Crossroads
Michael McConnell
Richard and Francis Mallory Professor and Director of the Constitutional Law Center, Stanford Law School; Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution
Stanford Law School; Hoover Institution
Episode: Michael McConnell on Winning the Tariff Case and the Fate of Humphrey's Executor
Steve Lang
Ambassador, former U.S. diplomat and ITU process participant
Former U.S. Ambassador; Crest Hill Advisors; CSIS (organization roles mentioned)
Episode: Former U.S. Ambassador on High-Stakes Shanghai Radio Conference
Bill Kovacic
Former chairman of the FTC
Formerly with the FTC
Episode: After Google and Meta: What Comes Next for Antitrust Policy with Jon Nuechterlein and Bill Kovacic
Diane Coyle
Bennett Professor of Public Policy at the University of Cambridge and Research Director at the Bennett Institute
University of Cambridge
Episode: Beyond GDP, with Diane Coyle
Shane Greenstein
Martin Marshall Professor of Business Administration at Harvard Business School
Harvard Business School
Episode: Shane Greenstein on Co-Invention and the Geography of AI Innovation
Catherine Tucker
Professor at MIT Sloan and an expert on the digital economy
MIT
Episode: Monetizing AI: Subscriptions, Ads, or Something New with Catherine Tucker
Harold Feld
Senior Vice President of Public Knowledge
Public Knowledge
Episode: The FCC’s Public Interest Standard: Shield or Weapon? with Harold Feld and Tom Hazlett

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Scott Walston
President/Senior Fellow at Technology Policy Institute; frequent host for policy discussions on tech economics and regulation.
Tom Leonard
President Emeritus and Senior Fellow at TPI; long-time policy expert on technology, antitrust, and regulation.

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    Really interesting topic! Using to supplement my own research in tech policy.

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    United States6 years ago
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    Smart tech policy talk, this is a great podcast!

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    United States8 years ago

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High-caliber guests that provide strong policy and economics insights.
Covers timely topics like antitrust, AI, and privacy with rigor.
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Jeff Macher on Generative AI and the Future of Global Researc
Q: Tell us what you found and then how you went about testing your hypotheses.
The main finding is that generative AI uptake in scientific writing is rising over time, especially in countries linguistically distant from English, and that the linguistic similarity between non-US papers and US papers is increasing post-ChatGPT, indicating convergence in scientific writing styles.
Future of News Ratings and Media Trust with NewsGuard CEO Gordon Crovitz
Q: How do you foresee the episode specifically with respect to officials criticizing NewsGuard?
Government officials may come to understand NewsGuard's work better, reducing partisanship around it.
Future of News Ratings and Media Trust with NewsGuard CEO Gordon Crovitz
Q: Can you speak to the demand from advertisers and brands for brand safety to have a metric for that?
Advertisers want to avoid being linked to misinformation; hence they seek brand safety metrics.
2025 TPI Aspen Forum: Privacy and Governmental Surveillance
Q: Does that create any additional privacy and security concerns for you, this tracking of the parent-guardian relationship?
Yes, these measures can increase data collection and aren't always reflective of the diversity of family situations, potentially putting vulnerable children at risk.
2025 TPI Aspen Forum: Privacy and Governmental Surveillance
Q: What guidance are you giving the people in the states when you go out and talk to all the state representatives and legislators right now?
We often need a federal data privacy framework as patchworks of state laws complicate the regulatory landscape, leading to confusion and burdens on consumers and businesses.

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The show centers on the economics and governance of technology, with frequent deep dives into antitrust policy, digital markets, AI monetization, and regulatory frameworks shaping information tech. Episodes often feature economists, regulators, and policy experts discussing current enforcement actions, measurement of economic progress beyond GDP, AI infrastructure and innovation, and the political dynamics surrounding federal agencies. A notable strength is the ability to bring together leading voices from government, academia, and industry to scrutinize how policy intersects with innovation, competition, and consumer welfare. This mix of rigorous analysis, topical debates, and high-profile guest voices makes it especially valuable for list... more

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