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Things Musicians Don't Talk About

Hattie Butterworth & Rebecca Toal
Mental Health
Classical Music
Music Education
Social Media
Nostalgia
Eating Disorders
Community Singing
Performance Anxiety
Nervous Breakdown
Grief
Tiktok
Burnout
Chloé Van Soeterstède
Healing Through Music
Body Image
Psychosis
Ayahuasca
Anxiety
Recovery
Weight Gain

Hattie Butterworth and Rebecca Toal host a podcast of insight and change in the classical music and arts professions. Delving into the often stigmatised worlds of mental health, injury, discrimination and productivity, classical music issues are spoken and revived. Join Hattie, Rebecca and guests for important conversations, inspiring moments of wisdom and poignant vulnerability.

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'If it could have gone wrong it has gone wrong'. The last five years for Jessica Curry, a composer of contemporary classical game music, has been marked by severe illness and personal loss. She joins Hattie and Becca on Things Musicians Don't Talk Ab... more

We have reached episode 100 and so decided, as a celebration, we'd take a wee look back... we might now regret it! Listen as we react to the first episode we made together, now over four years ago! Becca also tests Hattie on five years of hot takes –... more

*Trigger warning: discussion of eating disorders, alcoholism, addiction*

From our live event at the Royal Society of Musicians on 22nd May 2025

Lauren McQuistin has been running the Instagram account @brutalrecovery for years now. Her advocacy for ... more

Hattie and Becca discuss the need for many creatives to prove themselves to others online, often sharing data about their work. Do we need a structure and numeric guide for practice or can it be intuitive? And how does this link to intuitive eating? ... more

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Recent Guests

Jessica Curry
Composer of contemporary classical music and former musician
Episode: 101. Jessica Curry: when things fall apart
Lauren McQuistin
Former opera singer and author.
Episode: 99. Lauren McQuistin: eating disorders in classical music (live)
Jamie Barton
Internationally acclaimed opera singer known for her powerful voice and advocacy for LGBTQ+ rights
Episode: 97. Jamie Barton: embodying pride
CN Lester
Multi-genre musician, author of 'Trans Like Me', and founder of the arts event Transpose.
Episode: 88. Beyond the 'woman' conversation: Gillian Moore and CN Lester Live at RSM
Gillian Moore
Freelance artistic associate and broadcaster, known for her roles with the Royal Scottish National Orchestra and London South Bank Centre.
Royal Scottish National Orchestra
Episode: 88. Beyond the 'woman' conversation: Gillian Moore and CN Lester Live at RSM
Matthew Barley
Cellist and composer, known for his diverse musical projects and healing journey
Episode: 78. Matthew Barley on psychosis and healing through ayahuasca
Ayanna Witter-Johnson
Singer-songwriter, cellist, and composer with a diverse musical background.
Episode: 77. London Podcast Festival with Ayanna Witter-Johnson
Laure Chan
A British-born French and Chinese violinist known for her work in classical music and composition.
Episode: 76. Laure Chan: bridging cultures and breaking norms
Ruth Philips
Cellist, writer, performance coach, and meditation teacher
Episode: 73. Ruth Philips: non-violence and the art of rest

Hosts

Hattie Butterworth
Host and co-host discussing insights related to mental health, vulnerability, and personal narratives within the classical music industry.
Rebecca Toal
Host and co-host engaging in discussions surrounding mental health advocacy, artistic challenges, and personal experiences in the classical music space.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 65 ratings
  • In love with this podcast in every way

    Words can’t describe how comforting this podcast is as a young person trying to navigate the crazy industry that is the classical music world🫶 The industry needs more people like Rebecca and Hattie 🙏

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ygtdy
    United Kingdoma year ago
  • Cello girl and trumpet girl take over the world

    Hattie and Rebecca are my morning ASMR, they’re so insightful and forward thinking and their professionalism knows no bounds. Such a great podcast!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    jacko159
    United Kingdom3 years ago
  • Things Musicians SHOULD Talk About!

    I loved hearing Hattie's perspective - her honesty about mental health for musicians and willingness to be vulnerable is refreshing and rings true. While her guests have great things to say, I especially enjoyed the reflective episode 7 sandwiched between interviews. The audio quality is excellent which adds to the experience.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Andy Reiner
    United States5 years ago
  • Hattie is a delight

    Beautiful easy listening. A window into parts of musicians lives few of us are aware of. 5/5.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    JohnRutter444
    United Kingdom5 years ago

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The podcast is praised for its insightful guest interviews that bring valuable perspectives.
Many find the discussions comforting and relatable, especially regarding mental health.
Listeners appreciate the hosts' openness about the challenges faced in the classical music industry.

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101. Jessica Curry: when things fall apart
Q: How do you envision your life and career going forwards alongside your illness?
Jessica states she takes things day to day, finding happiness in small things and emphasizing the frustration of canceling events she wants to attend.
101. Jessica Curry: when things fall apart
Q: Can you tell us a bit about how you came to be diagnosed and what does it look like in terms of the pattern?
Jessica describes a long journey over 13 years to get diagnosed with ankylosing spondylitis, detailing struggles with health professionals who initially misdiagnosed her pain as depression.
90. Lucy Humphris: embracing otherness
Q: What do you expect from the experience of being a musician today?
She reflects on her hope for increased recognition and support for independent musical ventures, saying she expected more celebration of independence.
90. Lucy Humphris: embracing otherness
Q: What was it that helped you get through feeling othered in music college?
Lucy explains that having a clear sense of her musical identity helped her navigate the alienating environment of music college.
86. Book Club: anti-psychiatry and doublings
Q: What is the aftertaste that you want to like?
I think I want, I think I want memoir.

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2. Lauren McQuistin
3. Jamie Barton
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5. Gillian Moore
6. Matthew Barley
7. Ayanna Witter-Johnson
8. Laure Chan

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