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Things Musicians Don't Talk About

Hattie Butterworth & Rebecca Toal
Mental Health
Classical Music
Music Education
Nostalgia
Social Media
Eating Disorders
Community Singing
Performance Anxiety
Nervous Breakdown
Grief
Tiktok
Chloé Van Soeterstède
Healing Through Music
Burnout
Body Image
Psychosis
Ayahuasca
Anxiety
Weight Gain
Recovery

Hattie Butterworth and Rebecca Toal host a podcast of insight and change in the classical music and arts professions. Delving into the often stigmatised worlds of mental health, injury, discrimination and productivity, classical music issues are spoken and revived. Join Hattie, Rebecca and guests for important conversations, inspiring moments of wisdom and poignant vulnerability.

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Latest Episodes

We bring you a special filmed episode from Ronnie Scott's legendary London jazz club where we speak with the fabulous Lizzie Ball. Alongside pianist James Pearson, Lizzie will be curating the much-anticipated classical series Upstairs at Ronnie’s. We... more

Dr. Anna Bull is a Senior Lecturer in Education and Social Justice, Co-director of The 1752 Group and a former professional pianist and cellist. We return to Zoom to speak with her about class and socioeconomic issues in the classical music industry,... more

Trigger Warning: suicidal ideation from 13:50 to 18:00

Is it ethical that musicians feels 'owned' or controlled by their donors? Today in The Break Down, we are discussing philanthropy in classical music and opera, Hattie's recent experience of depr... more

Welcome to our rebranded 'chatty episodes' - now, with middling irony and an exaggerated sense of self-awareness, called The Break Down.

Hattie brings our Classical Strife newsletter segment to the podcast, we chat about The Met x Saudi Arabia's hot... more

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Recent Guests

Lizzie Ball
Violinist, vocalist, collaborator, curator, and artistic director
Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club
Episode: 106. Lizzie Ball: Classical Music for Contemporary Society
Ophelia Gordon
Pianist and advocate for mental health awareness in music
Episode: 102. Ophelia Gordon: living though anorexia and divorce
Jessica Curry
Composer of contemporary classical music and former musician
Episode: 101. Jessica Curry: when things fall apart
Lauren McQuistin
Former opera singer and author.
Episode: 99. Lauren McQuistin: eating disorders in classical music (live)
Jamie Barton
Internationally acclaimed opera singer known for her powerful voice and advocacy for LGBTQ+ rights
Episode: 97. Jamie Barton: embodying pride
CN Lester
Multi-genre musician, author of 'Trans Like Me', and founder of the arts event Transpose.
Episode: 88. Beyond the 'woman' conversation: Gillian Moore and CN Lester Live at RSM
Gillian Moore
Freelance artistic associate and broadcaster, known for her roles with the Royal Scottish National Orchestra and London South Bank Centre.
Royal Scottish National Orchestra
Episode: 88. Beyond the 'woman' conversation: Gillian Moore and CN Lester Live at RSM
Matthew Barley
Cellist and composer, known for his diverse musical projects and healing journey
Episode: 78. Matthew Barley on psychosis and healing through ayahuasca
Ayanna Witter-Johnson
Singer-songwriter, cellist, and composer with a diverse musical background.
Episode: 77. London Podcast Festival with Ayanna Witter-Johnson

Hosts

Hattie Butterworth
Co-host known for her candid discussions on mental health and classical music issues, bringing personal insights and reflections as a musician.
Rebecca Toal
Co-host noted for her insights into the challenges faced by musicians and her commitment to addressing mental health and inclusivity in the arts.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 65 ratings
  • In love with this podcast in every way

    Words can’t describe how comforting this podcast is as a young person trying to navigate the crazy industry that is the classical music world🫶 The industry needs more people like Rebecca and Hattie 🙏

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ygtdy
    United Kingdom2 years ago
  • Cello girl and trumpet girl take over the world

    Hattie and Rebecca are my morning ASMR, they’re so insightful and forward thinking and their professionalism knows no bounds. Such a great podcast!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    jacko159
    United Kingdom4 years ago
  • Things Musicians SHOULD Talk About!

    I loved hearing Hattie's perspective - her honesty about mental health for musicians and willingness to be vulnerable is refreshing and rings true. While her guests have great things to say, I especially enjoyed the reflective episode 7 sandwiched between interviews. The audio quality is excellent which adds to the experience.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Andy Reiner
    United States5 years ago
  • Hattie is a delight

    Beautiful easy listening. A window into parts of musicians lives few of us are aware of. 5/5.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    JohnRutter444
    United Kingdom6 years ago

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106. Lizzie Ball: Classical Music for Contemporary Society
Q: How do you see the classical music industry's effect on future musicians?
Ball reflects on the pressure and challenges facing musicians today while emphasizing the need for more diverse revenue streams and support systems.
106. Lizzie Ball: Classical Music for Contemporary Society
Q: What do you think the world of classical music could learn from jazz?
Ball points out the need for improved listening and collaboration among classical musicians, akin to the natural interactions observed in jazz ensembles.
106. Lizzie Ball: Classical Music for Contemporary Society
Q: How did you gain that confidence to be where you are now?
Ball credits her classical training with instilling a disciplined practice routine and emphasizes the importance of being prepared to build confidence.
102. Ophelia Gordon: living though anorexia and divorce
Q: What prompted you to seek help?
I became desperate and knew I needed to face hard truths, especially after my divorce.
102. Ophelia Gordon: living though anorexia and divorce
Q: When did your eating disorder start?
It started during my second year at the BRIT School when my parents were getting divorced and I was in an abusive situation.

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3. Jessica Curry
4. Lauren McQuistin
5. Jamie Barton
6. CN Lester
7. Gillian Moore
8. Matthew Barley

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