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Them Before Us Podcast

Them Before Us
Children's Rights
Abortion
Surrogacy
Pro-Life Movement
Marriage
Parenting
Fatherhood
Family Structure
IVF
Family Dynamics
Pro Child Politics
Divorce
Them Before Us
Adoption
Community Support
Christianity
Vice Presidential Debate
Illegal Immigration
Donor Conception
Love Life

Join host Jennifer Friesen, Training Director at Them Before Us, along with the TBU team, as they cover politics, current events, and policy updates affecting children's rights. Featuring top experts in politics, bioethics, law, reproductive technology, research, and culture, this podcast equips listeners to defend children's rights in debates on legislation, family, and technology. With thought-p... more

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In 1965, about 24% of Black children were born to unmarried parents, and today that number sits around 70%. Delano Squires [ @squire429⁩ ] is the author of The Vanishing Black Family and director of the Richard and Helen DeVos Center for Human Flouri... more

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Dr. Josh Herring joins Jenn on the Them Before Us podcast to talk about his new book, Sons of Adam, Daughters of Eve: C.S. Lewis' Images of Gender.

Simone de Beauvoir said woman is made, not born. Judith Butler picked that up and ran it all the way ... more

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Jenn sits down with Zac Kadau and Alissa Hollander from Life International, a global ministry equipping Christian leaders in over 170 countries, to talk about what defending human dignity actually looks like on the ground.

They get into surrogacy r... more

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This episode is for the teachers, the homeschool parents, and anyone with a kid in a classroom of any kind. Billy Hutchinson, director of Colson Educators at the Colson Center for Christian Worldview, joins the show to break down a simple but powerfu... more

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Josh Herring
Author of Sons of Adam, Daughters of Eve, CS. Lewis's Images of Gender
Logres Institute for Classical Liberal Studies
Episode: Them Before Us #109 | C.S. Lewis Thought Gender was more Important than Sex?
Billy Hutchinson
Director of Colson Educators at Colson Center for Christian Worldview
Colson Center for Christian Worldview
Episode: Them Before Us #107 | The three ways school shapes your kid's soul (whether you notice or not)
Robin Porter
Leader at Love Life (Seattle area)
Love Life
Episode: Them Before Us #106 | Fathers Are Essential and Women Cannot Father
Roland Warren
President and CEO of CareNet
CareNet
Episode: Them Before Us #106 | Fathers Are Essential and Women Cannot Father
Nate Grasz
Executive Director, Nebraska Family Alliance
Nebraska Family Alliance
Episode: Them Before Us #105 | We Graded Every State and only ONE Got an A
Patience Sunne
Engagement Director, Them Before Us
Them Before Us
Episode: Them Before Us #105 | We Graded Every State and only ONE Got an A
Katy Faust
Founder, Them Before Us
Them Before Us
Episode: Them Before Us #105 | We Graded Every State and only ONE Got an A
Micah Kunkle
Media Director for Maven, content creator and debater
Maven
Episode: Them Before Us #103 | Are Gen Z Men Having a "Crisis of Purpose"? | Micah Kunkle
Tim Goeglein
Vice President at Focus on the Family, former White House aide
Focus on the Family
Episode: Them Before Us #102 | How to Restore "What Really Matters" with Tim Goeglein

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4.8 out of 5 stars from 134 ratings
  • Can’t Stop Listening

    This is the first time I’ve ever started with episode one of a podcast and listened to the every episode in order! Every podcast is so compelling, inspiring, and wonderfully reasoned. Our children are our legacy and our greatest gifts; we should be doing everything in our power to protect them and ensure their flourishing.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    KatieBMac
    United Statesa year ago
  • Professor George

    Though I’ve known of Katy Faust and her passion and single-mindedness, I’ve often been intimidated. I’m lacking; I’ve fallen short; I’ve feel I’ve missed my time. But—no. She and this podcast are equipping. Professor George doubles down on the encouragement I’ve received. Thank you so very much.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Hydi Hydrangea
    United Statesa year ago
  • Courage in the Evil War on Kids

    Each episode is an action to right a rotting sinking ship called The Family. Exposing the worst of porn industry and its grooming of innocent youngsters to please the abusers and rapists of children- that is the truth in the belly of porn-hub, about the most recent episode that raised my anger and shock, and admiration of the Supreme Court Brief these authors wrote and submitted. I am a mom, teacher, and follower of this podcast. Every law-abiding and family loving American should listen and the... more

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    5
    davisbren
    United States2 years ago
  • Everyone needs to listen to this podcast!!!

    Absolutely love this movement to put the rights of children before adults. It is imperative that we defend those who cannot defend themselves (i.e children) and that truth could not be more clear in this podcast. It has totally made me rethink IVF, adoption, divorce etc. and changed my perspective in so many other ways. Keep it up “Them Before Us” and change the world!!!

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    5
    Kelley EW
    United States3 years ago
  • Inspired

    I am so inspired and motivated to join the cause to protect children’s rights. Thanks to this podcast I can articulate my opinions and position on this subject and I feel confident in my stance. I hope this podcast and its message spreads widely and quickly!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    saradnelson
    Canada3 years ago

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Audiences appreciate the clear advocacy for children's rights and family stability
Guests consistently praise thoughtful, research-backed discussion
The show is seen as a strong resource for understanding child-centered policy angles
Listeners report feeling equipped to discuss complex policy issues

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Them Before Us #110 | Welfare, Feminism, and the Vanishing Black Family | Delano Squires
Q: What practical steps can communities take to begin restoring family structures today?
Start with the church as a foundational hub for marriage formation, expand pre-marriage and couples counseling, sponsor communal weddings, support school and university initiatives to study and promote family formation, and push for media and culture changes that celebrate marriage and family rather than undercut it.
Them Before Us #110 | Welfare, Feminism, and the Vanishing Black Family | Delano Squires
Q: Did you see malice in policy creators, or is the damage more about unintended consequences and hubris?
The guest suggests that while malice exists in some cases, the more common dynamic is hubris within government—believing policymakers can fix complex social problems from limited vantage points—combined with well-intentioned but ultimately harmful outcomes in some feminist policy approaches.
Them Before Us #110 | Welfare, Feminism, and the Vanishing Black Family | Delano Squires
Q: What is the central argument of your book regarding the Black family and welfare?
The central argument is that welfare and gender ideology disrupted traditional family formation, especially in Black communities, but that the family can be rebuilt by focusing on children's needs, restoring responsible fatherhood and marriage, and leveraging trusted institutions like churches and schools to reforge a pro-family culture.
Them Before Us #105 | We Graded Every State and only ONE Got an A
Q: What was your thought when you first heard about the scorecard project?
We were excited about a new resource that looks at child policy statewide and highlights where laws protect or fail to protect kids, offering a concrete, actionable tool for lawmakers and advocates.
Them Before Us #100 | Making Fertility Fraud a Felony & Retaking the Arts
Q: What are the big elements of the fertility fraud bill that passed?
The bill makes fertility fraud a Class 5 felony for providers, allows civil actions by victims, and extends the statute of limitations to accommodate late discoveries of fraud while enabling government prosecution.

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The show consistently centers on children's rights within policy, family structure, and bioethical debates, often through a Christian lens. Episodes frequently explore how laws, education, and societal trends affect children, with guests ranging from policy advocates and lawmakers to researchers and faith leaders. A notable strength is the rigorous use of social science, legal context, and personal narratives to argue for a child-centered perspective, making complex issues like fertility, adoption, and marriage accessible to listeners. The format tends to blend policy analysis, storytelling, and calls to action for local advocacy, which can be especially valuable for audiences seeking clear stances and practical steps.

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4. Roland Warren
5. Nate Grasz
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