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The Kirkpatrick Podcast

Kirkpatrick Partners
Kirkpatrick Model
Learning and Development
Training Evaluation
Organizational Culture
Performance Evaluation
Leadership Development
Evaluation
Employee Engagement
Instructional Design
Level 4 Evaluation
Learning and Performance Evaluation
Leadership
Behavior Change
Return On Investment
Training Programs
Training
Performance Improvement
Kirkpatrick Partners
Culture Of Evaluation
Artificial Intelligence

Welcome to the Kirkpatrick podcast, where we bridge traditions and trends in learning and performance evaluation. Whether you're a seasoned learning professional or just starting out, join us as we dive into the Kirkpatrick Model like never before. Through stories and insights, we're fusing time-honored methods with cutting-edge innovations to help you navigate the ever-evolving world of learning ... more

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Few people have watched the Kirkpatrick Model travel across as many organizations as Wendy Kayser Kirkpatrick. Founder of Kirkpatrick Partners, steward of the model for 16 years, and the author of the foreword to Vanessa's new book, Wendy joins the s... more

Vanessa Milara Alzate is watching the World Cup a little differently this year — and she wants you to, too. In this solo episode of The Kirkpatrick Podcast, Vanessa uses three very different national teams to make a case she returns to constantly: th... more

In this episode of The Kirkpatrick Podcast, Vanessa sits down in person with Jawad Ahmed, a longtime Kirkpatrick Partners affiliate and director at C2C in India, for a candid conversation about how the Kirkpatrick Model travels — and sometimes gets l... more

Most organizations are confident they have data. Loads of it. But in this episode of the Kirkpatrick Podcast, Vanessa sits down with psychometrician and data-analytics professor Dr. Anna Lissitz to ask the uncomfortable question: is it the right data... more

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Wendy Kirkpatrick
Co-developer of the Kirkpatrick Model; author and educator
Kirkpatrick Partners
Episode: The Misconception That Wastes the Most Time in Learning and Development with Wendy Kayser Kirkpatrick
Jawad Ahmed
Director at C2C, affiliate partner at Kirkpatrick Partners
C2C / Kirkpatrick Partners
Episode: Why the Kirkpatrick Model Isn't an L&D Tool — It's a Business Model with Jawad Ahmed
Anna Lissitz
Dr. Anna Lissitz, resident psychometrician and professor of data analytics
Episode: Valid vs. Available: The Data Trap Most Orgs Fall Into
Myra Roldan
Chief AI Officer for Industrial AIs, AI business transformation expert
Industrial AIs
Episode: AI Can't Read the Room: Myra Roldan on Why Human Judgment Still Wins
Dr. Benjamin Granger
Chief Workplace Psychologist at Qualtrics
Qualtrics
Episode: Is it Really Survey Fatigue? Or Is It Survey-Action Fatigue. — Dr. Benjamin Granger
Ted Knicker
Contributor and author discussing scaling evaluation
Author of a chapter on non-human interventions and scaling evaluation
Episode: Scaling Evaluation: From Pockets of Excellence to Enterprise Capability
Ray Resendez
Veteran and Senior VP of Government Solutions at ELB Learning
ELB Learning
Episode: Pressure Doesn't Reveal Leaders—It Exposes Their Training
Nigel Paine
A globally recognized leader in learning and organizational development.
BBC, author
Episode: The Great Reset: Dr. Nigel Paine on Learning, Leadership, and Thriving Through Disruption
Sarah O'Connor
Expert in learning evaluation and behavior change
Kirkpatrick Partners
Episode: Unlocking Behavior Change: The Secret to Measuring Training Impact

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Vanessa Kirkpatrick
Host of The Kirkpatrick Podcast

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The Misconception That Wastes the Most Time in Learning and Development with Wendy Kayser Kirkpatrick
Q: What advice do you have for the book's author as it comes out?
Embrace feedback with thick skin, celebrate progress, and use the book to spark conversations that broaden the role of training beyond traditional boundaries toward real-world performance impact.
The Misconception That Wastes the Most Time in Learning and Development with Wendy Kayser Kirkpatrick
Q: When you've seen it done right, what do those organizations have that others don't?
They ensure organizational-wide alignment, rigorous data-sharing, and holistic integration of training with performance goals, rather than treating training as a standalone event or silo, and engage across the business to drive real performance.
The Misconception That Wastes the Most Time in Learning and Development with Wendy Kayser Kirkpatrick
Q: What is the biggest misconception you still see about the Kirkpatrick Model?
The most damaging belief is thinking the levels are sequential and equal, causing heavy focus on Reaction (Level 1) at the expense of Learning, Behavior, and Results, which undermines overall impact.
Valid vs. Available: The Data Trap Most Orgs Fall Into
Q: How can organizations move from simply reporting data to actually using it to drive improvements?
They need leadership buy-in at all levels, demonstrate that evaluation can lead to tangible improvements, and embed a culture of assessment so evidence informs decisions rather than being ignored or used for punishment; outlining clear outcomes and showing how data leads to resource requests or program tweaks helps participation.
Valid vs. Available: The Data Trap Most Orgs Fall Into
Q: What is the biggest danger of relying on a single metric or a single data source in organizational evaluation?
Relying on a single metric or source can give a partial view, mask important variations, and lead to biased conclusions; it often obscures whether actual changes in behavior or business outcomes occurred, because multiple perspectives and time points are needed to tell a fuller story.

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The show centers on learning and performance evaluation, with a strong emphasis on the Kirkpatrick Model and how to translate evaluation into real organizational impact. Across episodes, listeners hear practical frameworks for embedding evaluation into everyday workflows, governance, and leadership behavior, as well as how to build enterprise-wide capabilities for learning and performance. The host(s) often discuss shifting from training-centric metrics to business outcomes, the role of leadership in driving change, and the emergence of performance intelligence as a core capability. Noteworthy angles include governance structures, culture-building around evaluation, and the idea of communities of practice like a broader collective focused o... more

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