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The FOURTH PHASE PODCAST

Fourth Phase Productions
Navy Seals
URT
Self-Care
Marriage
Mark James
Ian Urtnowski
Sleep
Salt Lake City, United States
Workout
The Fourth Phase
Charlie Keating IV
Coronado, California
Retinitis Pigmentosa
C4 Foundation
Divorce
Emotional Connection
Communication

Conversations with people who’ve faced adversity and are building meaningful lives. The Fourth Phase - hosted by retired Navy SEAL JJ Parma and his swim buddy, Kristel.

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Latest Episodes

69% of women file for divorce. If you are a college educated woman that number jumps to 90%. So what is actually driving that?

In this Swim Buddy episode JJ and Kristel break down what men and women are really longing for in a relationship, why coup... more

Connection isn't soft. It's not weakness. It's not therapy talk.

It's discipline.

JJ and Kristel sit down for Swim Buddy episode #3 to break down

the one thing that makes or breaks every relationship — connection.

How you lose it. How you bring i... more

Dr. Kirk Parsley, former Navy SEAL turned physician, joins JJ Parma and his Swim Buddy Kristel, on The Fourth Phase Podcast to break down what's really destroying elite operators from the inside out.

Kirk discovered something terrifying as the docto... more

You can't show up to your marriage with a half-empty tank.

In this Swim Buddy episode, JJ and Kristel get into the truth about self-care , why it's not selfish, why it's mission readiness for marriage, and how to support your partner without guilt o... more

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Kirk Parsley
Former Navy SEAL, physician, sleep medicine expert
Sleep to Win practice / Doc Parsley, LLC
Episode: Operator Syndrome: The Navy SEAL Doctor Who Discovered Why Operators Are Dying Inside | The Fourth Phase Podcast Ep 5
Ian Urtnowski
Founder of URT (U-R-T), waterman entrepreneur, subject of the episode
URT / C4 Foundation
Episode: Comfort in Chaos: The URT Story | The Fourth Phase Podcast Ep 3
Mark James
Former Navy SEAL; SISM and BUDS veteran; longtime instructor
Former Navy SEAL
Episode: Fail or Finish | Mark James on SEAL Training, Discipline, and Mental Toughness

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JJ Parma
Host of The Fourth Phase Podcast and retired Navy SEAL.
Kristel Parma
Co-host and partner in The Fourth Phase Podcast.

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Comfort in Chaos: The URT Story | The Fourth Phase Podcast Ep 3
Q: How did the Charlie Keating IV connection shape the brand?
Charlie's death inspired a memorial shirt and later the C4 Foundation, aligning URT with family decompression and veteran support, turning personal tragedy into a broader mission.
Comfort in Chaos: The URT Story | The Fourth Phase Podcast Ep 3
Q: What sparked the initial idea for URT's logo and name?
The sea lion barking moment on the beach became the logo idea, and the nickname 'Urt' from being known by last name during lifeguard work led to the brand name URT.
Operator Syndrome: The Navy SEAL Doctor Who Discovered Why Operators Are Dying Inside | The Fourth Phase Podcast Ep 5
Q: What did you learn about sleep aids like Ambien and alcohol?
Ambien disrupts REM and deep sleep; combining Ambien with alcohol eliminates both sleep stages, so the strategy shifted toward safer, sleep-supportive supplements and lifestyle changes.
Operator Syndrome: The Navy SEAL Doctor Who Discovered Why Operators Are Dying Inside | The Fourth Phase Podcast Ep 5
Q: How did sleep become central to your approach with operators?
Sleep regulates hormones, cognition, and inflammation; addressing sleep allowed us to fix many of the issues operators faced, often more effectively than chasing individual problems.

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The conversations center on resilience, relationships, and high-performance living through the lens of people who've faced adversity. Across episodes, listeners hear intimate, practical strategies for rebuilding connection in marriage, sustaining wellness under pressure, and reimagining failure as a path to growth. Guests include a Navy SEAL-turned-physician discussing sleep, hormones, and recovery; a brand founder transforming personal loss into a cause-driven business; and couples sharing playbooks for staying present, communicating clearly, and coordinating family life with demanding careers. The format blends hard-won stories with repeatable routines—rituals, accountability, and frontline insights—that readers can apply to leadership, t... more

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