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The Business Side of Music podcast features interviews with leading industry professionals and working musicians, offering real-world advice to help artists grow their careers and incomes. Founded by Tom Sabella and Traci Snowe in 2008, the show has a rich legacy of empowering musicians. For many years, the podcast was hosted by Bob Bender, a respected industry veteran known for his work with Ring... more

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There's more advice for new artists than ever: TikTok tips, podcasts, books, platforms pitching a "must-have" tool every week. Most of it never gets acted on, and chasing all of it can keep independent artists from moving forward.

In this episode of... more

Uploading your song to Spotify is not the same as registering it, and that gap is costing artists real money. Every stream actually generates three separate royalties, but most artists only ever collect one.

In this episode, Sarah sits down with Geo... more

Why do artists get busier than ever and still go broke? Because most musicians treat the paycheck as profit and forget the costs that consume it.

In this episode, Sarah sits down with Gary Arbuthnot and Craig Meyer, co-founders of GigLogic, a pricin... more

Most artists sign with a manager and have no idea what they're actually agreeing to. In this episode, Sarah sits down with James Hodgin, an artist manager since 1995 who has worked with Thousand Foot Krutch, Chris August, Zane Williams, Kylie Rae Har... more

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Dave Rose
Artist manager and owner of Deep South Entertainment
Deep South Entertainment
Episode: Navigating Overconsumption: Essential Steps for Artists | Dave Rose, Deep South Entertainment
George Macias
Founder of Lumoza
Lumoza
Episode: The Royalty Registration Playbook Every Independent Artist Needs | George Macias, Lumoza
Craig Meyer
Co-founder of GigLogic
GigLogic
Episode: How to Price a Gig So You Actually Make Money | Gary Arbuthnot & Craig Meyer Giglogic
Gary Arbuthnot
Musician, agent, and co-founder of GigLogic
GigLogic
Episode: How to Price a Gig So You Actually Make Money | Gary Arbuthnot & Craig Meyer Giglogic
Jorge Brea
Founder and CEO of Symphonic
Symphonic
Episode: He's Distributed 2 Million Songs. Here's Why Most Don't Break Through | Jorge Brea, CEO of Symphonic
Jordan Glickson
VP of Music and Talent at VEVO
VEVO
Episode: The Music Video Strategy Every Independent Artist Needs in 2026
Dina LaPolt
Entertainment lawyer, activist, author
LaPolt Law
Episode: Stop Giving Away Your Rights: Dina LaPolt on AI, Ownership & Artist Power
Stephen Parker
Executive Director
National Independent Venue Association (NIVA)
Episode: The Battle for the Future of Live Music
Leigh Holt
Founder and president of Mad Jet, branding and artist management
Mad Jet
Episode: Execution Over Perfection: Real Music Industry Leadership for Indie Artists & Managers

Host

Sarah Fleshner
Host of The Business Side of Music (362 Entertainment). Brings deep experience in artist management, live sound, and business development to guide indie artists through revenue and growth strategies.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 59 ratings
  • Fun Story

    This was an excellent podcast and a great story, I’ve already shared with others.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    bojidude
    United States2 years ago
  • A Must-Listen for Musicians!

    This podcast has more useful and practical information than what most colleges teach. The more you listen and do what’s talked about, the further your career can go!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    DrBaritone
    United States3 years ago
  • Very Informative!!

    This podcast is for music fans of ALL genres, aspiring musicians, as well as new and old music business specialists. This is a must-listen to podcast for anyone interested in the behind the scenes of the music industry!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Amanda.Jacks
    United States4 years ago
  • Great resource for musicians!

    This podcast is a treasure trove of knowledge for all musicians trying to make a living!! The topics are relevant and useful, and the guests are engaging. Bob is an excellent host and does a great job of asking the right questions to get the most out of his guests. I’ve learned so much from this show and can’t wait to hear more!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    PlayitagainChris
    United States4 years ago
  • Great Show

    This podcast is full of great information and insightful tips! A must listen for musicians who want to get on top of the business side of things!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Gummaz
    Australia4 years ago

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The host team is commended for asking the right questions and keeping discussions focused on business outcomes.
Guests are consistently described as engaging and knowledgeable, with useful insights across royalties, live shows, and distribution.
Listeners praise practical, actionable advice that translates to real-world results for indie artists and managers.

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Navigating Overconsumption: Essential Steps for Artists | Dave Rose, Deep South Entertainment
Q: So, the question is, is there so much noise about how artists should be doing things?
The guests explain that while there is a lot of advice, the key is to distinguish opportunity from strategy and to stay focused on long-term, concrete goals rather than chasing every shiny object.
The Royalty Registration Playbook Every Independent Artist Needs | George Macias, Lumoza
Q: What is a royalty, exactly, and how do money flows work for a song?
A royalty is money paid when a song is performed or used in various ways, with three main streams: the composition (words/melody), the sound recording (the performed version), and the mechanicals (creating copies when distributed). Each stream has its own registering requirement and payout path, and all three should be registered to maximize earnings.
How to Price a Gig So You Actually Make Money | Gary Arbuthnot & Craig Meyer Giglogic
Q: If you could leave listeners with one piece of advice, what would it be?
Take time to become a master of your trade across all elements of the business, build relationships locally first, and use data-driven tools to negotiate with confidence.
How to Price a Gig So You Actually Make Money | Gary Arbuthnot & Craig Meyer Giglogic
Q: What is one number every artist should know before negotiating?
Profit margin and the artist's monthly nut, i.e., how much they need to bring in to cover expenses and maintain sustainability.

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Frequently Asked Questions About Business Side of Music

What is Business Side of Music about and what kind of topics does it cover?

The show concentrates on practical, business-focused guidance for musicians and those who support them, with episodes featuring artist managers, lawyers, distributors, and platform executives. Core topics include royalties and rights management, sustainable touring and pricing, release planning, and live performance strategy. Guests frequently bring hands-on experience and data-driven approaches to help independent artists build durable careers, monetize effectively, and navigate a rapidly evolving industry. Noteworthy is the emphasis on long-term thinking, authenticity, and direct-to-fan relationships, along with actionable frameworks that listeners can apply right away. The format tends to blend tactical how-tos with real-world stories fr... more

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Recent guests on Business Side of Music include:

1. Dave Rose
2. George Macias
3. Craig Meyer
4. Gary Arbuthnot
5. Jorge Brea
6. Jordan Glickson
7. Dina LaPolt
8. Stephen Parker

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