The Art Law Podcast

Steven Schindler & Katie Wilson-Milne

Art Law

Benin Bronzes

Albert Barnes

Cultural Heritage

Restitution

Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act

Barnes Foundation

Cultural Property

Art Market

Philadelphia

Washington Principles

Art Finance

Law, Ethics, and the Visual Arts

Federal Regulations

Liquidity In Art Ownership

Colonialism

Nigeria

Africa

Cultural Repatriation

Cultural Heritage Law

The Art Law Podcast hosts discussions about topics at the intersection of art and law with art lawyers Steve Schindler and Katie Wilson-Milne and their distinguished guests.

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Publishes	Infrequently	Episodes	78	Founded	8 years ago
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Ninth Circuit Greenlights Tattoo Copying of Photographs (of Miles Davis at least)

Katie and Steve speak with esteemed copyright lawyer Nancy Wolff about the Ninth Circuit case Sedlik v. Von Drachenberg, in which photographer Jeffrey Sedlik sued celebrity tattoo artist Kat Von D for copyright infringement related to her inking a co... more

27 Apr 2026 • 1 hr 5 min

Barnes Part II: The Legal Battles

Katie and Steve continue discussing the Barnes Foundation with attorney Ralph Wellington, who represented the Barnes Foundation during its successful but extremely controversial multi-year effort to amend its founding documents and create a new arts ... more

17 Feb 2026 • 53 min

Albert Barnes Part I: The Controversial Man and his Foundation

Steve and Katie speak with critic and author Blake Gopnik about his new book The Maverick's Museum: Albert Barnes and His American Dream. They discuss Barnes's rise out of poverty to the heights of modern art collecting and his progressive societal p... more

5 Jan 2026 • 1 hr 15 min

Art Law at Christie's with Maggie Hoag

Steve and Katie talk with fellow art lawyer Maggie Hoag about her journey from art to law and then to art law, including her transition from private practice to a long career as a top lawyer at Christie's in New York. They discuss the nature of legal... more

12 Nov 2025 • 1 hr 3 min

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Recent Guests

Nancy Wolff

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Episode: Ninth Circuit Greenlights Tattoo Copying of Photographs (of Miles Davis at least)

Ralph Wellington

Of Counsel at Dilworth Paxson in Philadelphia with extensive experience in art law and complex litigation.

Dilworth Paxson

Episode: Barnes Part II: The Legal Battles

Blake Gopnik

North America's leading art critic and author of 'The Mavericks Museum', a biography on Albert Barnes.

Episode: Albert Barnes Part I: The Controversial Man and his Foundation

Maggie Hoag

Senior Vice President and Deputy General Counsel of Christie's, an expert in art law

Christie's

Episode: Art Law at Christie's with Maggie Hoag

Jane Levine

Former prosecutor and founding partner of the Art Risk Group

Art Risk Group

Episode: The Art Market Integrity Act: Are AML regulations finally coming to the US art market?

Florian Schmidt-Gabain

A partner in the firm Schmidt-Gabain, AG, who specializes in art law, entertainment law, and strategic estate planning, and teaches art law and restitution law at Swiss universities.

Schmidt-Gabain, AG

Episode: Switzerland Starts to Address "Cultural Property with a Burdened Past"

Stephen Urice

Professor of Law at the University of Miami School of Law; former archaeologist and attorney

University of Miami School of Law

Episode: Teaching Art Law

Simon Frankel

Judge of the Superior Court of California; teaches art and law at Stanford Law School

Stanford Law School

Episode: Teaching Art Law

Amy Adler

Emily Kempen Professor of Law at NYU School of Law, leading scholar of art law, focusing on art law, First Amendment law, and feminist jurisprudence.

NYU School of Law

Episode: Updates on Art, Free Speech, and Government Censorship

Hosts

Steve Schindler

Host of The Art Law Podcast; co-founder and attorney focused on art law with experience at Schindler Cohen and Hockman LLP.

Katie Wilson-Milne

Co-host of The Art Law Podcast; attorney with focus on art law, governance, and education.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 199 ratings

Love this podcast!
I am a Museum attorney but always learn so much from this podcast and it is as engaging as it is informative!
Apple Podcasts
5
🤑IWOKEUPLIKETHIS🤑
United States2 months ago
So interesting and informative!
Especially loved the Maggie Hoag episode!
Apple Podcasts
5
cbsurm
Australia5 months ago
Insightful
As an attorney and artist, I was thrilled to discover this podcast. It is always timely and the hosts are very knowledgeable.
Apple Podcasts
5
nick-painting
United States2 years ago
Great Listen
I’m not an expert in the field but I love listening—great dive into history, museum, art and culture, and law. Excellent hosts. Extremely well-researched.
Apple Podcasts
5
NLB215
United States2 years ago
Amazing listen
Wonderful podcast. Great hosts and interesting by topics
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5
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United States2 years ago

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The podcast balances legal analysis with historical and cultural context, appealing to both lawyers and non-lawyers.

Guests are consistently high-caliber and well-credentialed, contributing credibility to discussions.

Listeners praise the accessible yet rigorous treatment of complex art-law issues.

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Apple Podcasts	#227	United Kingdom/Arts
Apple Podcasts	#41	Finland/Arts
Apple Podcasts	#54	Singapore/Arts
Apple Podcasts	#205	Brazil/Arts

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Ninth Circuit Greenlights Tattoo Copying of Photographs (of Miles Davis at least)

Q: What is the potential impact of this case on future copyright litigation?

If the intrinsic test is overturned or replaced, it could streamline summary judgments in obvious copying cases and reduce reliance onjury outcomes that may be inconsistent with the law, benefiting individual creators and shaping circuit-level doctrine.

Ninth Circuit Greenlights Tattoo Copying of Photographs (of Miles Davis at least)

Q: Why is the extrinsic versus intrinsic test distinction central to this case?

The extrinsic test evaluates objective elements and protectable expressions, while the intrinsic test assesses the overall feel of the works. In this case the intrinsic test led to a different, less intuitive outcome and raised concerns about fairness and alignment with the Copyright Act, prompting debate among judges and scholars.

Ninth Circuit Greenlights Tattoo Copying of Photographs (of Miles Davis at least)

Q: What is the procedural posture of Sedlik v. Von Drachenberg at the trial and appellate levels?

The district court denied summary judgment on multiple grounds and sent the case to a jury, including the intrinsic test for substantial similarity. On appeal, the Ninth Circuit upheld the jury verdict but criticized the intrinsic-test framework and discussed the propriety of proceeding with summary judgment versus a full jury trial.

Art Law at Christie's with Maggie Hoag

Q: What advice would you give to aspiring art lawyers?

Be a good lawyer, go to a big firm where you can get the proper training, and focus on building relationships and understanding the art world while you're at it.

Art Law at Christie's with Maggie Hoag

Q: What type of legal issues do you confront in a typical auction?

In a typical auction, I confront various legal issues including contract negotiations, compliance with auction regulations, and ensuring proper provenance for antiquities and high-value artworks.

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The show consistently explores how law shapes the art world, from provenance and restitution to the regulatory landscape and ethical questions. Episodes feature in-depth conversations with lawyers, scholars, and industry insiders, focusing on high-stakes topics like Nazi-looted art, cultural property, AML regulations in the art market, and major institutional disputes. The format blends accessible storytelling with expert analysis, making complex legal issues tangible for lawyers, museum professionals, and art-market participants alike. A standout trait is the strong convergence of practical legal insight and historical context, often anchored by notable guests with deep domain expertise, from top auction houses to prominent law professors.... more

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Recent guests on The Art Law Podcast include:

1. Nancy Wolff
2. Ralph Wellington
3. Blake Gopnik
4. Maggie Hoag
5. Jane Levine
6. Florian Schmidt-Gabain
7. Stephen Urice
8. Simon Frankel

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