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That's What They Say

Anne Curzan, Rebecca Hector
Language Evolution
English Language
University Of Michigan
Language
Etymology
Grammar
American English
Language Change
Linguistics
Idiomatic Expressions
English Grammar
British English
Pants
Old English
Michigan Public
Forensic Linguistics
Pronunciation
Lickety Split
All Right
Oxford English Dictionary

Funner, snuck, and LOL are all things that we're hearing people say these days.That's What They Say is a weekly segment on Michigan Public that explores our changing language. University of Michigan English Professor Anne Curzan studies linguistics and the history of the English language. Each week she'll discuss why we say what we say with Michigan Public All Things Considered host Rebecca Hector... more

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Adverbs don’t always get a lot of love, captured powerfully in the writing tip “Abolish the adverbs.”

We scrimp and we save, and we skimp and we still save, which makes one wonder whether scrimping is different from skimping

Cheesemongers sell cheese, and gossipmongers usually start the gossip or spread it, rather than sell it.

Many of us don’t talk about doornails very often, but sometimes we will when things are really, well, dead.

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Anne Curzan
University of Michigan English professor and author.
University of Michigan
Episode: TWTS: When it comes to "lie" and "lay," even English professors get confused

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Anne Curzan
University of Michigan English Professor; frequent linguistic expert and host with deep grounding in etymology and usage history.
Rebecca Hector
Host and public-radio contributor; skilled facilitator of conversations on language usage and history.

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4.9 out of 5 stars from 195 ratings
  • Exact same

    Love the show! I often find myself saying, “yes!” to a question someone asks that I could have asked!My puzzlement is about why people say “exact same” instead of just using one or the other to pinpoint the exact same thing!! Thank you!

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    dewell!
    United States7 months ago
  • Kiddo- makes me cringe

    You used the word in your piece- “ Kiddo” strikes me as condescending; I truly wish it would go away!

    I’m a retired first grade teacher, and I’ve witnessed the rise in its usage among parents as well as colleagues.

    I hope it’s a fad in our language that eventually fades!

    Love your podcast.

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    Nan Lee Bee
    United Statesa year ago
  • ITS CALLED A NATURE STRIP IN AUSTRALIA!

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    Foundations531
    a year ago
  • It’s Oscar Season!

    Why do all the Hollywood celebrities use the torturous phrase “I’m appreciative of” instead of “I appreciate” when thanking all the little people during an Oscar acceptance speech?

    This reminds me of another passively torturous phrase, “you are so missed”, in place of “we miss you.” I wonder why people adopt such affected phrasing…

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    EconoPNW
    United States3 years ago
  • I really appreciate this podcast

    I’ve been listening to this podcast for a while now, and wanted to tell the hosts how much I appreciate this program and that there definitely are people like me. I’m not a native English speaker, so whatever word or expression you introduce gives me such a good opportunity to learn something new about English. I’ll keep listening to this podcast for as long as it continues. Thanks for your hardworking!

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    ももひき小次郎
    Japan3 years ago

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TWTS: Why no one is "gonna Pittsburgh"
Q: Why does gonna work as a substitute for an action, but not a place when the words it's substituting are the same?
Because grammaticalization tends to shift a verb or action word toward a grammatical function like future tense, while a place name like Pittsburgh retains its noun meaning and cannot be easily converted into a grammatical marker without changing the core semantics.
TWTS: From "6-7" to sixes and sevens
Q: What about the expression 'same old six and seven'?
It means the equivalent of 'same old, same old,' indicating things haven't changed much, and there are historical attestations in regional dictionaries and diaries.
TWTS: From "6-7" to sixes and sevens
Q: Can you use that expression?
Yes, you can use it to describe being in a state of confusion or disarray, and it has historical roots going back to hazard and even earlier lines in English literature.
TWTS: When a reign becomes rain
Q: Is bend the knee an expression that you can use?
Anne Curzan answers that bend the knee means submit but is not commonly used in recent news coverage, and there are newer phrases like take a knee that have taken precedence in public discourse.
TWTS: Fore! It's a lightning round
Q: Sally asks about the meaning of 'one of the only' and whether it makes sense.
Research indicates Merriam-Webster acknowledges 'few' as a meaning of 'only'; corpus evidence from the late 1800s shows examples like one of the only two and later one of the only seats available, illustrating a semantic shift over time.

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