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That's What They Say

Anne Curzan, Rebecca Hector
Language Evolution
English Language
University Of Michigan
Language
Etymology
Grammar
American English
Language Change
Linguistics
Idiomatic Expressions
English Grammar
British English
Pants
Michigan Public
Old English
Forensic Linguistics
Pronunciation
Lickety Split
All Right
Oxford English Dictionary

Funner, snuck, and LOL are all things that we're hearing people say these days.That's What They Say is a weekly segment on Michigan Public that explores our changing language. University of Michigan English Professor Anne Curzan studies linguistics and the history of the English language. Each week she'll discuss why we say what we say with Michigan Public All Things Considered host Rebecca Hector... more

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If I say I’m gonna do it, I don’t necessarily mean I’m headed out the door right now to do it.

2025 had lots of people talking about sixes and sevens, but not in the loose ends kind of way.

Next time you’re hanging out with friends, you can debate just how slangy the phrasal verb ‘hang out’ is.

This may be one of the only times that throw pillows, golf, and curling all get wrapped into the same discussion.

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4.9 out of 5 stars from 194 ratings
  • Exact same

    Love the show! I often find myself saying, “yes!” to a question someone asks that I could have asked!My puzzlement is about why people say “exact same” instead of just using one or the other to pinpoint the exact same thing!! Thank you!

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    dewell!
    United States6 months ago
  • Kiddo- makes me cringe

    You used the word in your piece- “ Kiddo” strikes me as condescending; I truly wish it would go away!

    I’m a retired first grade teacher, and I’ve witnessed the rise in its usage among parents as well as colleagues.

    I hope it’s a fad in our language that eventually fades!

    Love your podcast.

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    Nan Lee Bee
    United Statesa year ago
  • ITS CALLED A NATURE STRIP IN AUSTRALIA!

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    Foundations531
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  • It’s Oscar Season!

    Why do all the Hollywood celebrities use the torturous phrase “I’m appreciative of” instead of “I appreciate” when thanking all the little people during an Oscar acceptance speech?

    This reminds me of another passively torturous phrase, “you are so missed”, in place of “we miss you.” I wonder why people adopt such affected phrasing…

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    EconoPNW
    United States3 years ago
  • I really appreciate this podcast

    I’ve been listening to this podcast for a while now, and wanted to tell the hosts how much I appreciate this program and that there definitely are people like me. I’m not a native English speaker, so whatever word or expression you introduce gives me such a good opportunity to learn something new about English. I’ll keep listening to this podcast for as long as it continues. Thanks for your hardworking!

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    ももひき小次郎
    Japan3 years ago

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TWTS: From "6-7" to sixes and sevens
Q: What about the expression 'same old six and seven'?
It means the equivalent of 'same old, same old,' indicating things haven't changed much, and there are historical attestations in regional dictionaries and diaries.
TWTS: From "6-7" to sixes and sevens
Q: Can you use that expression?
Yes, you can use it to describe being in a state of confusion or disarray, and it has historical roots going back to hazard and even earlier lines in English literature.
TWTS: When a reign becomes rain
Q: Is bend the knee an expression that you can use?
Anne Curzan answers that bend the knee means submit but is not commonly used in recent news coverage, and there are newer phrases like take a knee that have taken precedence in public discourse.
TWTS: Fore! It's a lightning round
Q: Sally asks about the meaning of 'one of the only' and whether it makes sense.
Research indicates Merriam-Webster acknowledges 'few' as a meaning of 'only'; corpus evidence from the late 1800s shows examples like one of the only two and later one of the only seats available, illustrating a semantic shift over time.
TWTS: Fore! It's a lightning round
Q: Douglas asks about the origin of the term for that golf yell heard on the course.
The origin is not definitively known, but appears by the mid-1850s with later documentation; the Oxford English Dictionary cites a guide mentioning a warning cry to those in front of the stroke, suggesting a possible shortening from before and linking to fore caddy traditions.

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