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We call her Emma | Tortoise Investigates

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Neil Gaiman
Amber Heard
Freediving
Consent
The Salt Path
Dennis Bass
Doping
Iran
Anne Craig
Johnny Depp
Chemical Weapons
False Memories
Sexual Assault
Asma Al-Assad
Kathleen Folbigg
Raynor Winn
Gareth
Therapy
Sexual Abuse
Huey

Emma is a high achieving, middle class girl from west London. She seems destined for a successful career in banking and a comfortable British life. Until she makes a decision that will come to define her. In 2001 Emma marries Bashar al-Assad - the now infamous dictator of Syria.

In the early days, people inside and out of Syria dared to hope. Alongside his beautiful, progressive wife, Bashar promi... more

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Chloe learns of allegations that Asma - the ‘mother of the nation’ - had an active role in one of the regime’s cruellest strategies: separating the children of dissidents and rebel fighters from their parents to use them as bargaining chips. At an or... more

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Chloe travels to Damascus to meet people close to Bashar and Asma. One source tells her that Asma took a drastic decision in the early years of the war - she tried to leave Syria. Only it’s not for the reasons you might think.

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In 2011, the Arab Spring hits Syria and Asma has a decision to make: speak out in favour of the popular revolution or stay loyal to the regime. But what choice did she really have? 

We call her Emma is a 6 part original series from Tortoise Investig... more

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When Asma arrives in Syria, there’s a palpable sense of hope. People in the country and around the world dare to believe that she is a force for good. Chloe hears from people who worked with her in the early years who - despite everything that’s happ... more

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Recent Guests

Ayman Abdel Nour
Bashar's former advisor, journalist with strong on-the-ground connections
Former Assad regime adviser
Episode: Asma’s deal | We call her Emma Ep4
Zaki Meshi
Syrian living in exile, previously worked in the First Lady's projects
Syria Trust / Exile community
Episode: Diana of Damascus | We call her Emma Ep2
Phil Elwood
Former public relations professional who worked with Middle Eastern dictators
Public relations firm ( Middle Eastern dictators' image management )
Episode: The girl from Acton | We call her Emma Ep1
Abdo al-Dabakh
Cousin of Emma; friend of Bashar; recalls Emma's early life and family dynamics
Family member
Episode: The girl from Acton | We call her Emma Ep1
Oldwyn Jones
Original detective on the case
Police (retired)
Episode: Lost | Foundling Ep 6
Janet Barnicoat
Foundling with a similar story in North Dakota
Private individual
Episode: Lost | Foundling Ep 6
Ariel Bruce
Post-adoption social worker collaborating with Long Lost Family
ITV Long Lost Family
Episode: In the blood | Foundling Ep 3
Terry Hunt
Former editor and journalist who covered the original case
East Anglian Daily Times
Episode: On the verge | Foundling Ep 1
Aldwyn Jones
Former detective chief inspector who worked on the case
Ipswich Police Station (retired)
Episode: On the verge | Foundling Ep 1

Hosts

Lucy Greenwell
Host of the series; presenter and investigator.
Chloe Hadjimatheou
Reporter and host; investigator of long-form narratives.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 18.8k ratings
  • Gag

    No, really…GAG

    Apple Podcasts
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    Bellamammal
    United Statesa month ago
  • Addictive but unsatisfying

    The story has me listening but the editing wasn't the best so it felt like it jumped around and left significant questions unanswered

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    4
    Urbancocoa
    United Statesa month ago
  • Lucky boy. …

    It is disgraceful that double standards exist with abuse of children through time and across gender. However. I severely doubt a person who complains and wants to be “special” still, as an adult. Who does ZERO to corroborate other children’s abuse, yet demands and whinges he is not corroborated and … the ONE person who supports him is not “remembered” by him. Also. The mother admitted that the GP made an error in her writing. Which you report on, and then misstate in a later episode as though it... more

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    2
    Trexmonst
    Australia2 months ago
  • Love it, but…

    I truly like this podcast, to the point where I often re-listen more of the seasons. However, I highly recommend to withhold judgements from the presenters because facts after the show may prove them wrong. For instance, in season two, the existence of satanic cults directly involved in pedophilia (including some horrific situations such as torture and cannibalism), are quite mocked. The current Epstein situation provides ample evidence of such horrible truths. So, please, withhold judgment.

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    Raluca .
    United States2 months ago
  • AI generated voices makes me wonder about the veracity of journalism

    In the season for “Walter’s War”, there is a distinctively noticeable and sudden use of AI generated voices for some “source” quotes. Not only is it a massive audio ICK (literally could not sound more fake, which makes the info feel questionable), but it leaves me to wonder where else they are using AI in their research/work. Yuck.

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    2846291916348161
    Canada2 months ago

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Many listeners praise the storytelling and the depth of interviews, calling it important and moving.
Strong production with twists keeps listeners engaged, despite emotional subject matter.
The reporting is balanced and deeply researched, with empathetic handling of trauma.
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Asma’s deal | We call her Emma Ep4
Q: Why did you decide to stand by your husband and remain silent for years?
The subject explains that her convictions and commitments outweighed the desire for publicity, suggesting a complex, survival-driven choice rather than a straightforward allegiance.
The Letters | The Walkers Ep6
Q: How do you feel about the portrayal of your family in 'The Salt Path'?
It was mortifying; the representation in the book is largely untrue, mischaracterizing the support offered to Raynor and Moth.
The Letters | The Walkers Ep6
Q: What was the content of the email Sally sent admitting to the theft?
The email was a confession where Sally acknowledged taking her grandmother's money and expressed desperation to explain her actions, begging her family not to involve the police, citing a past criminal record.
The Letters | The Walkers Ep6
Q: How did your grandmother react to the news that money was missing from her account?
She was very emotional and couldn't believe it, stating there was a lot of crying and concern about how she would afford her expenses.
The eureka moment | The Lab Detective Ep2
Q: What did she, what did she say?
Tracy asked Kathleen about her diary entries and her state of mind, and Kathleen's consistent answers convinced her of Kathleen's innocence.

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A tightly produced investigative series that centers a decades-old foundling case in Suffolk, blending archival reporting, interviews, and DNA-driven discoveries. It follows journalist Lucy Greenwell as she unravels long-hidden family secrets, uncovering twists about paternity, adoption, and the emotional fallout across a network of relatives. The show stands out for its careful handling of traumatic subjects, strong narrative pacing, and the way it connects historical events to modern questions about belonging, privacy, and consent in family storytelling.

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