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Smart Podcast, Trashy Books: A Romance Novel Podcast

Sarah Wendell
Romantic Times Magazine
Romance Novels
Historical Romance
Romance Literature
Romantic Times
Romance
Contemporary Romance
Real Housewives
Heated Rivalry
Books
Romance Publishing
Books Journalism
A Soul To Keep
Self-Publishing
Influencer Marketing
Romance Genre
Gilded Age
October 1999
The Bachelor
Kickstarter

Each week on Smart Podcast, Trashy Books, Sarah Wendell interviews authors, readers, reviewers, bloggers, publishing professionals, editors, and librarians about romance novels, which are among the most popular genres in fiction worldwide. Popular guests include: Ilona Andrews, Robin Bradford, NPR's Barrie Hardymon, Chuck Tingle, Sarah J. Maas, and Rachel Aaron. Amanda Diehl, co-pilot of the SS Sm... more

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Katie Wilbert is a writer and performer, she moonlights as a disco ball, and she writes television romantic comedies, including A Vineyard Christmas.

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Lea Vale is the author of Blue Sky Black, a dual-timeline recent history romance that takes place, in part, on 9/11/2001. We talk about writing recent history, especially recent traumatic history, into romance, we also discuss the power of the HEA, a... more

It’s time machine time! We’re going back to June 2007 to look at the Ads & Features in Romantic Times magazine. This one’s got some gawdawful letters to the editor and some equally heinous responses, and we are prepped for battle.

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By listener request! My guest today is author and professor Jodi McAlister. You might remember Jodi from her appearance in episode 626 when we talked about her Marry Me Juliet trilogy, set within a fictional version of The Bachelor.

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Recent Guests

Katie Wilbert
Screenwriter, comedian, performer, and teacher of made-for-TV romance writing
Episode: 743. Behind the Scenes of Holiday Rom Coms with Katie Wilbert
Lea Vale
Author of Blue Sky Black and host of Check This Out
New Hampshire Public Radio
Episode: 742. Writing Recent History with Lea Vale
Jodi McAlister
Author and academic, current IASPR president
Author, IASPR (International Association for the Study of Popular Romance)
Episode: 740. A Study in Sparkling with Jodi McAlister
Adib Khorram
A queer Iranian-American author of novels for readers of all ages, focusing on queer Iranian-American characters
Episode: 738. Isn’t He Romantic with Adib Khorram
Lucy Wilson-Tagoe
Author of To Catch a Sinner, The Blurred Lines Duet
Blue Box Press / The Blurred Lines Duet
Episode: 736. The Romances that Inspired Dylan Allen and Lucy Wilson-Tagoe
Dylan Allen
Author of contemporary romance, pen name and heritage discussion
USA Today bestselling / Wall Street Journal bestselling author
Episode: 736. The Romances that Inspired Dylan Allen and Lucy Wilson-Tagoe
Jess Rothschild
Podcaster and journalist; founder writer at Autostraddle; documentary podcaster
Finding Fire Island; Autostraddle
Episode: 734. Finding Fire Island with Jess Rothschild
Dylan MarcAurele
Writer and composer of Heated Rivalry Unauthorized Musical Parody
Episode: 732. The Heated Rivalry Unauthorized Musical Parody with Dylan MarcAurele
Sherry Thomas
Author of The Luckiest Lady in London
Author
Episode: 730. Still the Luckiest Lady in London with Sherry Thomas

Hosts

Sarah Wendell
Host of Smart Podcast, Trashy Books; frequent co-host and driving voice behind episode structure and industry commentary.
Amanda Diehl
Co-host and regular contributor; long-running co-pilot with Sarah, known for readings, banter, and guest interactions.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 151 ratings
  • I don’t even read romance

    And I don’t have any interest. But, I can’t stop listening to this podcast. It’s so interesting

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Sweet Hayley Grace
    United States5 months ago
  • Addictive and intelligent

    I have listened for years now and always enjoyed myself, smiled and learned new things. There’s a pleasure in hearing smart people enjoying things they are passionate about, particularly when the discussions are wide ranging but often circle back to writing and romance genre fiction. I also like the bad jokes the host likes to end each episode with.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    RhodePVD
    United Statesa year ago
  • Awesome show

    What a great listen. You don’t even have to be the biggest fan of reading to enjoy this show. They do so a wonderful job, that it will make you a fan of reading. Keep up the great work!!!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Skilletbrew
    United States2 years ago
  • Love these seasonal episodes very much x

    Podcast Addict
    5
    jlk
    2 years ago
  • Recently got into the romance genre and this podcast has been a great way of finding out what's what. There have been some fascinating guests and the discussions touch on so many aspects of life that I'm ashamed to say I've been rather ignorant of. As a bog-standard middle-aged man it has been a massive eye opener, as well as being very entertaining. Thank you to the hosts for making this.

    Podcast Addict
    5
    Jambon
    2 years ago

Listeners Say

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Guests are varied and often book-focused, offering deep dives into craft and market trends.
Engaging discussions with smart guests and a warm host banter that makes genre insights accessible.
Long-running show with thoughtful coverage of publishing industry evolution and reader culture.
Comedic, friendly host dynamic that stays respectful while exploring controversial topics.

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#205
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#237
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743. Behind the Scenes of Holiday Rom Coms with Katie Wilbert
Q: Is this an expectation that you've encountered? You're nodding. I know you know this is something I've talked about. Have you noticed this? Have you been met with any expectations that this is how the films should work? Is this something you incorporate into your screenplays?
Wilbert says made-for-TV movies already regularly restate plot information, but she tries to communicate exposition through visual details and clever writing. She resists drafting specifically for distracted viewers, while adapting when producers request clearer reminders.
743. Behind the Scenes of Holiday Rom Coms with Katie Wilbert
Q: Please tell me everything about these levels, especially the cheese.
Wilbert says low budgets and tight production schedules contribute to the genre's cheesiness, which is also an affectionate, established part of its style. She argues that earnestness, sincerity, and emotional vulnerability are meaningful strengths of these films.
742. Writing Recent History with Lea Vale
Q: Why do you think romance is particularly suited for this role?
Vale says romance requires close attention to characters' emotions and sensory experience, while its hopeful resolution gives readers a framework for confronting traumatic history.
742. Writing Recent History with Lea Vale
Q: What led you into this story?
Vale wanted to write about her experience on September 11 and the loss of a childhood friend, but the story only came together when she wrote it as a romance with hope at its center.
730. Still the Luckiest Lady in London with Sherry Thomas
Q: What inspired your approach to the power dynamics between the leads?
The heroine's need to secure resources without giving up agency, and the hero's guardedness, create a dynamic where both must grow and confront consequences, which drives the romance beyond a simple fairy-tale setup.

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A long-running, talk-focused show about romance fiction, publishing, and reader culture. Conversations frequently feature authors, editors, and publishing professionals, with episodes blending author interviews, industry analysis, and book recommendations. Founders and recurring co-hosts bring warmth, humor, and a deep affection for romance, often exploring how trends, branding, and community shape the genre. Notable for its candid discussions, scholarly perspectives, and regular return to retro publishing era topics, it's a good fit for listeners who love in-depth genre insights, author dynamics, and community-building in publishing. The show is also known for its approachable critique of industry practices, plus lively banter and strong g... more

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7. Jess Rothschild
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