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Every week, Heatmap News Executive Editor Robinson Meyer and Princeton University Professor and energy systems expert Jesse Jenkins make sense of the biggest shift of our time -- navigating the energy transition away from fossil fuels. Drawing on their years of experience reporting on and researching climate change and decarbonization, Meyer and Jenkins unpack the most important issues of the week... more

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Here’s some good news: Clean power met all electricity demand growth last year for the first time since the COVID-19 pandemic. That’s according to a new report on global electricity trends from Ember, a U.K. think tank that tracks energy data from ar... more

Fervo Energy has become a darling of the clean energy industry by using workers and technology from the oil and gas sector to unlock zero-carbon, all-day geothermal electricity. Last week, Fervo filed to go public, giving us the first deep look at it... more

For the past few years, Microsoft has basically carried the carbon removal industry on its shoulders. The software company has purchased 72 million tons of carbon removal, more than 40 times what any other organization has financed, according to thir... more

The United States and Iran have agreed to a ceasefire in Iran, and energy markets responded with jubilation — at least initially. Every major Wall Street index surged on Wednesday, and U.S. oil prices fell.

But the actual situation on the ground is ... more

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Recent Guests

Nick Fulghum
Lead author of Ember's 2025 Electricity Review and Senior Energy and Climate Data Analyst at Ember
Ember
Episode: Some Great News About the Global Electricity System
Sonja Norman
SVP of Impact at Salesforce
Salesforce
Episode: Some Great News About the Global Electricity System
Matthew Zeitlin
Heatmap staff writer
Heatmap News
Episode: Everything We Didn't Know About the World’s Buzziest Geothermal Startup
Jack Cavanaugh
Director of the Carbon Management Program at the Center on Global Energy Policy, Columbia University; President of Carbon Middle Management, Incorporated; former Policy Manager for Carbon Management at Breakthrough Energy
Columbia University; Carbon Middle Management; Breakthrough Energy
Episode: Why Microsoft’s Carbon Removal Pullback Is Such a Big Deal
Sam Weavers
Director of Product at Lunar Energy
Lunar Energy
Episode: Why Microsoft’s Carbon Removal Pullback Is Such a Big Deal
Mike Munsell
Vice President of Partnerships with Heatmap
Heatmap
Episode: Why Microsoft’s Carbon Removal Pullback Is Such a Big Deal
Alice Yake
Vice President, Grid Modeling at Breakthrough Energy (formerly SVP at Xcel Energy)
Breakthrough Energy
Episode: How Utilities Actually Think
Lauren Sidner
Senior Advisor at MIT Center for Energy and Environmental Policy Research; former Senior Advisor to US Special Presidential Envoy for Climate
MIT Center for Energy and Environmental Policy Research
Episode: A New Look at Why Electricity Prices Have Gone Up in Your ZIP Code
Arjun Krishnaswami
Lead author of the CELS Playbook, senior advisor at the Federation of American Scientists
Federation of American Scientists
Episode: There’s a New Playbook for Cutting Power Prices

Hosts

Robinson Meyer
Founding Executive Editor at Heatmap News with a focus on energy and climate transition.
Jesse Jenkins
Professor of Energy Systems Engineering at Princeton University, specializing in energy technology and policy.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 278 ratings
  • Useful insight into power markets

    I’m starting out as a state government lawyer in public utility law with a focus on electricity, and the recent episodes and summer school episodes have been a useful entry point into the worlds of energy science, policy, and markets.

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    5
    JHPAOCA
    United States8 months ago
  • Educational and interesting

    Great episode on electricity markets. Especially the commentary on gamifying real time pricing.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    unsatisfied customer #99
    United States8 months ago
  • Educational and Entertaining

    Robinson and Jesse do an excellent job of both keeping me informed about climate change topics while they also entertain with an enjoyable, candid conversation.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    katycryts
    United States10 months ago
  • Spiritual?

    Environmentalist are actually “concrete” observers. They see habitat loss and point it out. When very few others are able to recognize it, they may have words of condemnation, but they are seeing the forest, not just the trees.

    You don’t have to belittle people who care about life more than you, and for longer than you, to make your point.

    Are you saying Rachel Carson was too spiritual in pointing out the scientific effects of DDT?

    Truth is, human animals don’t want to burn calories physically... more

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    WilderLead
    United States10 months ago
  • A serious, detailed, and engaging podcast

    If you are interested/concerned about environmental challenges and how they fit into American/global society, this is the podcast for you. The hosts go into detail on techno/economic factors for the climate transition and how it relates to us as consumers. The episodes are engaging and serious, a rarity in today’s « attention at any cost, even the truth » media environment. Thanks guys for a great podcast.

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    PhillyMattR
    United Statesa year ago

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Everything We Didn't Know About the World’s Buzziest Geothermal Startup
Q: Why is dispatchability important for geothermal, and how does it work in practice?
Dispatchability comes from shifting production to times of high power prices by modulating injection and production, enabling a flexible output that behaves like a firm resource when solar/wind output wanes, increasing its value to the grid.
Everything We Didn't Know About the World’s Buzziest Geothermal Startup
Q: What makes advanced geothermal different from traditional geothermal, and why is Fervo pursuing this approach?
Advanced geothermal uses hydraulic fracturing and engineered reservoirs to access hot rock at shallower depths and scale up via longer laterals and more efficient reservoir design, enabling larger, repeatable deployments beyond rare hydrothermal hotspots.
Some Great News About the Global Electricity System
Q: How should we think about the global transition when considering regional differences, such as Europe, the US, and Southeast Asia?
While Europe and the US see significant fossil displacement through solar and storage, Southeast Asia and developing countries rely more on a mix of solar and other renewables, with solar often scaling alongside storage to address grid bottlenecks and reliability concerns as demand rises.
Some Great News About the Global Electricity System
Q: So Nick, why did solar dominate last year, and what is the story of the electricity grid in 2025, as you understand it?
Solar dominance stems from a relentless learning curve and steep cost declines, driving rapid deployment across utility-scale and distributed contexts, with storage and wind complementing solar to flatten variability and meet growing demand; in 2025 solar alone met a large share of new demand, while regions like China and India began to decouple fossil growth from demand growth.
There’s a New Playbook for Cutting Power Prices
Q: Can you tell us, Arjun, what is in this report? What do you think we should do? What's the playbook?
The playbook argues for strengthening government capacity across states to reduce bills while deploying clean energy, including expanding utility commissions' mandates, improving transparency, reforming siting rules, enhancing permitting processes, planning transmission more effectively, and using public finance to reduce the cost of capital and shift incentives toward public interest.

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Addressing the critical energy transition away from fossil fuels, this podcast offers insightful conversations about the complexities of climate change and decarbonization. The hosts explore a wide array of topics including clean energy policies, economic implications of climate legislation, advancements in technology, and the evolving landscape of environmental regulations. With a blend of expert analysis and accessible discussions, listeners can expect both educational content and engaging debate surrounding contemporary environmental challenges and the multifaceted solutions that come with them. The podcast's strengths lie in its focus on actionable insights and the hopeful perspective it maintains towards future energy solutions, making... more

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