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Climate Change
Decarbonization
Inflation Reduction Act
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Trump Administration
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Every week, Heatmap News Executive Editor Robinson Meyer and a guest make sense of the biggest shift of our time -- navigating the energy transition away from fossil fuels. Drawing on their years of experience reporting on and researching climate change and decarbonization, Meyer and his partners unpack the most important issues of the week and how the impacts of climate change and efforts to addr... more

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Climate and environmental advocates are sharply divided over the Senate’s bipartisan permitting reform proposal. But what most people agree is that the bill’s changes to electricity and transmission law are really, really good — and in some sense are... more

Every midterm, the focus is on Congress — and for good reason. But in two weeks, Americans will vote on a number of state races that will matter immensely to the energy system, the power grid, and the future direction of greenhouse gas emissions.

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No researcher has been more cited in lawsuits against fossil fuel infrastructure than Peter Erickson. As an affiliated researcher at the Stockholm Environment Institute, Peter studies how pipelines and other oil and gas supply expansions can increase... more

There are two big trends in the American battery sector at the moment. The first is that the electric vehicle market is deteriorating. GM, for instance, sold just 25,000 EVs in the third quarter of this year. Ford sold 6,000 EVs. Even the long-awaite... more

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Recent Guests

David Pomerantz
Executive director of the Energy and Policy Institute and former Greenpeace campaigner
Energy and Policy Institute
Episode: How the Permitting Reform Bill’s Best Stuff Works
Caroline Spears
Founder and executive director of Climate Cabinet
Climate Cabinet
Episode: The Weird State-Level Races That Matter for Climate Change
Peter Erickson
Affiliated researcher at the Stockholm Environment Institute studying fossil fuel supply and climate policy
Stockholm Environment Institute
Episode: Should Climate Activists Keep Fighting Fossil Fuel Infrastructure?
Kurt Kelty
Vice President of Battery and Sustainability at General Motors (GM)
General Motors
Episode: The Tesla Alum Trying to Turn GM Into an American Battery Juggernaut
Mikie Sherrill
Governor of New Jersey, former Navy pilot and federal prosecutor
Governor of New Jersey
Episode: Governor Mikie Sherrill on Electricity Prices, Nuclear Power, and Building in New Jersey
Al Gore
Former Vice President, climate advocate, Climate Reality Project founder
Climate Reality Project
Episode: Al Gore on AI, ‘An Inconvenient Truth,’ and the Biggest Surprises of the Past 20 Years
Chris Wright
U.S. Energy Secretary; former CEO of Liberty Energy; former board member of Oklo
U.S. Department of Energy
Episode: Energy Secretary Chris Wright on Trump’s Pro-Nuclear, Pro-Fossil Fuel Agenda
Jonathan Webb
CEO of The Nuclear Company
The Nuclear Company
Episode: What Does The Nuclear Company Do?
Hannah Ritchie
Data scientist and writer; author of Not the End of the World and Clearing the Air; senior researcher at University of Oxford; deputy editor at Our World in Data
Our World in Data, University of Oxford
Episode: Starting a Giant Online Data Platform Is the Easy Part

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Robinson Meyer
Founding executive editor of Heatmap News
Rob Zemeier

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 293 ratings
  • Useful insight into power markets

    I’m starting out as a state government lawyer in public utility law with a focus on electricity, and the recent episodes and summer school episodes have been a useful entry point into the worlds of energy science, policy, and markets.

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    JHPAOCA
    United Statesa year ago
  • Educational and interesting

    Great episode on electricity markets. Especially the commentary on gamifying real time pricing.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    unsatisfied customer #99
    United Statesa year ago
  • Educational and Entertaining

    Robinson and Jesse do an excellent job of both keeping me informed about climate change topics while they also entertain with an enjoyable, candid conversation.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    katycryts
    United Statesa year ago
  • Spiritual?

    Environmentalist are actually “concrete” observers. They see habitat loss and point it out. When very few others are able to recognize it, they may have words of condemnation, but they are seeing the forest, not just the trees.

    You don’t have to belittle people who care about life more than you, and for longer than you, to make your point.

    Are you saying Rachel Carson was too spiritual in pointing out the scientific effects of DDT?

    Truth is, human animals don’t want to burn calories physically... more

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    WilderLead
    United Statesa year ago
  • A serious, detailed, and engaging podcast

    If you are interested/concerned about environmental challenges and how they fit into American/global society, this is the podcast for you. The hosts go into detail on techno/economic factors for the climate transition and how it relates to us as consumers. The episodes are engaging and serious, a rarity in today’s « attention at any cost, even the truth » media environment. Thanks guys for a great podcast.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    PhillyMattR
    United States2 years ago

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Some listeners object to particular arguments on rooftop solar, utility policy and the pace of climate action.
The conversations are described as engaging and personable, with an optimistic outlook grounded in practical solutions.
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How the Permitting Reform Bill’s Best Stuff Works
Q: Do you think the bill is good for data centers? And what's been your observation of how utilities have behaved during the data center boom?
Pomerantz says the bill could make it easier for data centers to connect to the grid and require them to pay for transmission and existing grid costs. He favors grid-connected facilities that fund infrastructure over off-grid natural gas generation, which he calls a climate failure mode.
How the Permitting Reform Bill’s Best Stuff Works
Q: What does the bill do on transmission? How do you think about this bill overall and its effect that it would have on the energy system?
Pomerantz says the bill would make interstate transmission easier to permit, coordinate planning across grid regions, encourage competitive developers, and strengthen federal oversight. These changes aim to address the lack of regional and interregional transmission.
The Weird State-Level Races That Matter for Climate Change
Q: What are the stakes in any of these PUC elections for climate?
Public service commissions regulate electricity markets, influence what utilities build and how quickly projects are permitted, and can determine whether investment favors clean or fossil energy. Spears says commissions can also be captured by utilities, contributing to higher costs.
The Weird State-Level Races That Matter for Climate Change
Q: What are some of the big states or state level races that you are thinking about right now?
Spears is focused on state control and down-ballot races such as public service commissions, state supreme courts, and land commissioners. She identifies Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Arizona as states where a small number of legislative seats could change control and affect climate policy.
Should Climate Activists Keep Fighting Fossil Fuel Infrastructure?
Q: Is the claim that opening any new oil and gas fields is incompatible with a 1.5C world supported by the literature?
Erickson says the claim relies on a narrow reading of climate scenarios and that the literature does not support treating every new field as incompatible. He emphasizes assessing the actual effects of policies and whether they advance the energy transition.

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Weekly, reported conversations about how the transition away from fossil fuels is reshaping energy systems, business, policy and everyday life. Robinson Meyer leads interviews with researchers, government officials, advocates and executives, connecting technical questions about power markets, transmission, batteries and nuclear energy to the decisions that affect costs, emissions and deployment. Some conversations focus on a specific policy or technology; others explain foundational energy concepts or examine climate science and data.

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