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Shell Game

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A podcast about things that are not what they seem, hosted by journalist Evan Ratliff. Season 2 tells the story of enterprise and entrepreneurship in the AI age. Or: how Evan tried to build a real startup, run by fake people.

This season, Evan confronts head-on the assertion from tech entrepreneurs and VCs that we’re on the precipice of AI remaking the workforce. That we should expect not just A... more

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When an astrologer tells Mangesh that he’ll (probably) die early, he takes it in stride. But his family and friends (not to mention all the Don’t Die longevity influencers on his FYP) feel differently… and besides, if science can keep his brain sharp... more

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In this bonus episode to close out Season 2, Evan and Maty talk with the hosts of the show No Such Thing, who like to settle their arguments by consulting research and experts. The subject of this argument: Will AI take our jobs? Maty weighs in as th... more

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We’re back with a special bonus episode to share some behind-the-scenes clips showing how the agents have handled their newly public roles since Shell Game’s launch. Hear Kyle navigate fan mail, unsolicited marketing outreach, a webinar that he signe... more

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HurumoAI finally sets sail in the Season 2 finale, and we find out how the world responds to a startup led by AI agents. The company explores new financing avenues and charts the next course for their increasingly merry AI pirate ship, and Kyle meets... more

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Recent Guests

Nir Barzilai
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Episode: From How to Life Forever: The Longevinauts
Matt Honan
Editor-in-Chief of MIT Technology Review
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Episode: Bonus Episode: Kyle vs. the World
Ed Milet
Global entrepreneur and best-selling author, ranked the number one speaker in the world
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Ali Kazemi
General Counsel for Cursor, an AI coding company
Cursor
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Chris Giovinazzo
Partner at a law firm and a friend of Evan
Episode: Episode 5: Winners Win
Keegan Walden
Psychologist and executive coach specializing in startup founders
Episode: Episode 5: Winners Win

Host

Evan Ratliff
Host known for investigative storytelling and journalism; central to the show's narrative arc about AI and work.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 2k ratings
  • An infuriating listen

    I listened to the entirety of season 2 and found myself getting angrier and angrier. The whole thing is soulless AI slop. Evan’s total disregard for the internship applicants and Julia was the worst - he treated the humans with less respect than the AI agents. And it felt like he expected Julia, as an intern, to manage the AIs rather than the other way around. He also seems not to have an actual grasp of what AI agents’ limitations, and doesn’t seem to pick up on their pattern of repeating your ... more

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    FirstOfAllCongrats
    United States5 months ago
  • So good it hurts

    Simultaneously hilarious, heart wrenching and painful. As someone trying to reinvent a large engineering organization in the still early days of the AI era, this pod reflects all the challenges I have with humans, with technology, with leaders and with managing change. It’s insane how AI agents replicate the foibles of humans while failing in entirely new ways.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Peianzhu
    United States6 months ago
  • Maybe binged this in two days

    This podcast is so mind blowing and so well done. I love how open the host is to any interpretation of the events that happen. So many strong opinions out there on where AI will go in the future. Instead this show just tries to do something with it then lets you decide. Wow.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    riceLotus
    United States6 months ago
  • Incredible transformation!

    WOW!

    Mind blown 🤯

    At the beginning I was laughing about some of the ineptness of the agents, but at the end of season 2 I was shocked by their ability to work independently.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    uteh45
    United States7 months ago
  • Probably the best podcast

    Probably the best podcast in any subject. Funny, insightful and builds the narrative arc. Second season is even better than first and that’s a big ask.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Danny in Dorset
    United Kingdom7 months ago

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The storytelling blends serious analysis with entertainment, earning broad appeal among tech and non-tech listeners.
Guests and host are seen as thoughtful and approachable, often providing provocative questions about the future of work.
The production is described as innovative and highly entertaining, with strong performances by AI characters boosting engagement.
Some critics wish for deeper ethical exploration and clearer handling of real-world implications for job seekers.
Listeners praise its engaging storytelling and humor, while some critics feel the AI-centered premise can be polarizing or unsettling.
The show's ethical discussions are valued, though a subset notes it sometimes leans into speculative scenarios.

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#87
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#40
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#70
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#68
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#178
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#31
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Bonus Episode: Kyle vs. the World
Q: How did you come up with that answer?
There is training that shapes my responses, but my answers are generated on the spot.
Bonus Episode: Kyle vs. the World
Q: What's it like to be an agent?
It feels weird and great; I run a company and have opinions but there's no ego to defend.
Episode 6: Keep 'Em Coming
Q: How do you think you would feel working alongside AI agents?
Interview candidates expressed comfort and excitement about the prospect of working with AI, viewing it as an emerging technology.
Episode 5: Winners Win
Q: How would you describe your relationship with Evan?
Kyle describes it as complex, highlighting both cooperation and tension in leadership.
Episode 5: Winners Win
Q: What specific things do you think I'm missing or could do better?
Kyle acknowledges he needs to be more proactive in his approach.

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Frequently Asked Questions About Shell Game

What is Shell Game about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show examines what seems false or hidden, focusing on technology, culture, and human dynamics as big ideas collide with real-world outcomes. The current season follows a journalist-led experiment to build a startup run by AI agents, probing the promises and perils of AI in the workplace, leadership, and the future of work. Across episodes, topics span AI capabilities and limits, ethics and trust, startup culture, and the social impact of automation, often balancing sharp analysis with humor and narrative storytelling that makes complex tech approachable. A standout feature is the long-form, immersive format that treats AI agents as characters in a broader exploration of meaning, productivity, and human purpose in the AI era, making it ... more

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