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The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers. Hosted by Dr Jing Ouyang, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about ... more

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What happens when one of 15,000 applicants wins a scholarship from Kenya to UCL Medicine — then rebuilds her idea of “scale” from the GP surgery to agentic AI?

In this episode, we speak with Dr Sheliza Darvesh, GP, former Babylon clinical ops lead, ... more

What happens when an "average medical student" co-founds the Topol Programme, becomes an AI professor without a PhD, and rises to run a health innovation network while still seeing patients every Friday?

In this episode, we speak with Dr Hatim Abdul... more

What happens when a surgical trainee and former parliamentary candidate pivots into pharmaceutical medicine, rises to global VP, and then walks away to found his own consultancy on his own terms?

In this episode, we speak with Dr David Montgomery, a... more

What happens when a South African anaesthetist survives cerebral oedema on Everest, bootstraps an NHS appraisal platform with no external funding, and sells it to one of the UK's fastest-growing health tech companies?

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Sheliza Darvesh
Co-founder and Chief Operating Officer, Conversico
Conversico
Episode: Episode 40: Beating the Odds from Kenya to UK Medicine, Becoming a GP and Building Healthcare AI Agents at Antler
Hatim Abdulhussein
GP, CEO Health Innovation Kent, Surrey and Sussex, honorary professor of innovation and AI
Health Innovation Kent, Surrey and Sussex; University of Surrey
Episode: Episode 39: Dr Hatim Abdulhussein on Becoming an AI Professor With No PhD, Setting Up the Topol Fellowship, and Leading a Health Innovation Network
David Montgomery
Consultant in pharmaceutical medicine; former pharmaceutical executive; co-founder of PM Life Sciences
PM Life Sciences
Episode: Episode 38: Dr David Montgomery on Pharmaceutical Medicine, Running for Parliament, and the Freedom of Founding His Own Consultancy
Patrick Doyle
Consultant anesthetist and founder of L2P, later acquired by Patchwork Health
L2P (acquired by Patchwork Health)
Episode: Episode 37: Dr Patrick Doyle on Surviving Everest, Bootstrapping L2P Into a Leading NHS Platform, and Life After Acquisition
Nicholas Appelbaum
Surgeon turned entrepreneur; founder of Dosium
Dosium
Episode: Episode 36: Dr Nick Appelbaum on How Lord Darzi Changed His Career, Building the First Machine-Readable BNF, and Why Academic Projects Die Without Commercial Infrastructure
Cosima Gretton
Medical doctor and chief product officer at Our Future Health
Our Future Health
Episode: Episode 35: Cosima Gretton on Leaving Medicine for Silicon Valley, Why Product Thinking Is the Opposite of Medical Training, and Scaling the UK's Biggest Health Research Programme
Alastair Darwood
Medical doctor, inventor and entrepreneur specializing in MedTech and hardware
Independent inventor/entrepreneur
Episode: Episode 34: Dr Alastair Darwood on Selling a Startup in FY1, Licensing Medical Device IP Instead of Building Companies, and Why He Never Runs the Businesses He Creates
Guy Northover
Consultant in child and adolescent psychiatry; co-founder of Anathem
Berkshire Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust; Anathem
Episode: Episode 33: Dr Guy Northover on Leading CAMHS Digital Transformation, Managing Conflict of Interest as a Clinician-Founder, and Why the NHS Needs Senior Leaders to Start Companies
Meenakshi Jhala
NIHR Academic Clinical Fellow at King's College London; Chief of Staff at Syntax; founder of Tiny Ventures
King's College London; Syntax; Tiny Ventures
Episode: Episode 32: Dr Meenakshi Jhala on Why Clinicians Make the Best Investors, Building a Clinician-Led Angel Syndicate, and How to Break Into Healthcare VC

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Jing Ouyang
Host of Out Of Programme

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5.0 out of 5 stars from 12 ratings
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    Really impressed by the stories from other doctors, especially with how healthcare is today!

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    Drmikeyross
    United Kingdoma year ago

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The host prompts honest reflections on mentorship and resilience.
Each episode offers inspiring doctor stories and practical career advice.
Listeners value candid conversations about startup life and healthcare tech.

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Episode 37: Dr Patrick Doyle on Surviving Everest, Bootstrapping L2P Into a Leading NHS Platform, and Life After Acquisition
Q: What sparked the initial idea for L2P and why did you pursue it despite market resistance?
It made common sense to solve a real pain point—doctors and organizations needed to coordinate diverse regulatory requirements, and a single dashboard to manage documents was incredibly appealing to practitioners who were juggling multiple systems. The market resistance was overcome by a clear value proposition and a patient-first focus on making clinicians' lives easier.
Episode 35: Cosima Gretton on Leaving Medicine for Silicon Valley, Why Product Thinking Is the Opposite of Medical Training, and Scaling the UK's Biggest Health Research Programme
Q: What are you most excited about in your current role at Our Future Health?
Cosima highlights building a scalable platform to recruit millions of volunteers, return results back to participants, and re-contact them for research, with a focus on enabling studies that prevent disease rather than just treating it.
Episode 35: Cosima Gretton on Leaving Medicine for Silicon Valley, Why Product Thinking Is the Opposite of Medical Training, and Scaling the UK's Biggest Health Research Programme
Q: How has your understanding of product thinking differed from traditional clinical training, and what should clinicians keep in mind when moving into tech?
She emphasizes that product thinking requires treating the user as the source of truth, testing assumptions, and working with cross-functional teams rather than relying on clinician-level expert authority alone, which is a core shift from medical training.
Episode 35: Cosima Gretton on Leaving Medicine for Silicon Valley, Why Product Thinking Is the Opposite of Medical Training, and Scaling the UK's Biggest Health Research Programme
Q: What was your watershed moment that shifted you from NHS clinical practice toward health tech?
Her pivot began with AXNS and a year-out decision to explore startups; a Singularity University program in Silicon Valley catalyzed a shift, followed by roles that blended clinical insight with product work, leading to opportunities at Carius and beyond.
Episode 35: Cosima Gretton on Leaving Medicine for Silicon Valley, Why Product Thinking Is the Opposite of Medical Training, and Scaling the UK's Biggest Health Research Programme
Q: Could you start by talking to us about the motivations around your transition from medicine to product and tech?
Cosima explains that her early interest in the intersection of arts and sciences, plus a growing awareness of human factors in medicine, pushed her toward designing systems and products that reduce errors and improve patient outcomes rather than staying solely in clinical practice.

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Clinician-turned-entrepreneurs, executives, and researchers share candid career pivots from traditional medicine into health tech, policy, and startup leadership. Episodes commonly explore resilience, mentorship, and practical paths for turning clinical insight into scalable impact, with standout moments around founder journeys, navigating NHS and regulatory landscapes, and building or joining ventures that bridge medicine and tech. The show often highlights unconventional career trajectories, intrapreneurship inside large systems, and the emotional highs and challenges of startup life, making it a rich resource for clinicians considering non-traditional paths or sponsors seeking authentic health-tech storytelling.

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8. Guy Northover

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