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The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers. Hosted by Dr Jing Ouyang, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about ... more

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What happens when a doctor trained in experimental psychology leaves medicine in F2, builds products in Silicon Valley, runs a £10M/day COVID testing programme, and becomes Chief Product Officer of the UK's largest health research study?

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What happens when a medical student sells a surgical robotics startup before finishing FY1 — and then spends the next decade inventing devices he deliberately never runs?

In this episode, we speak with Dr Alastair Darwood, a medical doctor with a bi... more

What happens when a Consultant Psychiatrist, NHS Digital Exemplar leader, and GIRFT national lead decides the only way to truly fix children's mental health services is to leave the NHS and build an AI startup?

In this episode, we speak with Dr Guy ... more

What happens when a GP trainee with zero finance knowledge decides to break into healthcare VC — and ends up co-founding a clinician-led angel syndicate?

In this episode, we speak with Dr Meenakshi Jhala, NIHR Academic Clinical Fellow at King's Coll... more

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Alastair Darwood
Medical doctor, inventor and entrepreneur specializing in MedTech and hardware
Independent inventor/entrepreneur
Episode: Episode 34: Dr Alastair Darwood on Selling a Startup in FY1, Licensing Medical Device IP Instead of Building Companies, and Why He Never Runs the Businesses He Creates
Guy Northover
Consultant in child and adolescent psychiatry; co-founder of Anathem
Berkshire Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust; Anathem
Episode: Episode 33: Dr Guy Northover on Leading CAMHS Digital Transformation, Managing Conflict of Interest as a Clinician-Founder, and Why the NHS Needs Senior Leaders to Start Companies
Meenakshi Jhala
NIHR Academic Clinical Fellow at King's College London; Chief of Staff at Syntax; founder of Tiny Ventures
King's College London; Syntax; Tiny Ventures
Episode: Episode 32: Dr Meenakshi Jhala on Why Clinicians Make the Best Investors, Building a Clinician-Led Angel Syndicate, and How to Break Into Healthcare VC
Dom Pimenta
Cardiologist, researcher, health tech entrepreneur
Tortus
Episode: Episode 31: Dr Dom Pimenta on Why NHS IT Systems Fail, Building AI That Actually Helps Clinicians, and the Gap Between Innovation and Implementation
Rishi Das-Gupta
Doctor and health system leader, Chief Executive of Health Innovation Network South London
Health Innovation Network South London
Episode: Episode 30: Dr Rishi Das-Gupta on the journey to becoming an NHS Trust Chief Innovation Officer and Scaling System Change Across South London
James Somauroo
Former anesthetist, healthtech founder and podcaster
SomX; HealthTech podcast host; HealthTech Pigeon editor-in-chief
Episode: Episode 29: Dr James Somauroo on a Near-Miss £40M Fund, Why Doctors Make Better Marketers, and Building SomX with His Wife
Dr Farzana Rahman
Consultant radiologist and co-founder/CEO of Hexarad
Hexarad
Episode: Episode 28: Dr Farzana Rahman on Building a Radiologist-Led Team, Why Junior Doctors Thrive in Startups, and Hexarad's Series B Growth
Paul Jewell
Medical doctor and health tech entrepreneur
Assuric
Episode: Episode 27: Dr Paul Jewell on Teaching Himself Code, Taking a "Grave Mistake" Career Break, and Building AI Tools for Clinicians
Tom Chambers
Anesthetist, sleep medicine doctor, Theta Sleep co-founder
Theta Sleep
Episode: Episode 26: Dr Tom Chambers on Finding a Niche in Sleep Medicine and Building a New Digital Pathway

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Jing Ouyang
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5.0 out of 5 stars from 12 ratings
  • Inspiring

    Really impressed by the stories from other doctors, especially with how healthcare is today!

    Apple Podcasts
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    Drmikeyross
    United Kingdoma year ago

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Honest portrayals of the challenges in balancing clinical work with startups.
Thoughtful discussions that highlight doctors' potential to influence healthcare beyond clinics.
Real-world stories of entrepreneurship make medicine feel more accessible to non-clinicians.

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Episode 11: From RAF Doctor to Downing Street, Teaching the British Military How to Code, and Building an AI Startup
Q: What motivated you to pursue medicine and later pivot into technology?
A mix of early inspiration from mentors and family, plus a decisive, hands-on curiosity about applying math, science, and later neural networks to real-world problems, especially in the military context.
Episode 15: Dr Zahra Safarfashandi on Breaking into Consulting, Leading in the Middle East, and Balancing Ambition with Intention
Q: Why shift from medicine to consulting, and how did you land in healthcare consulting specifically?
Exposure to business concepts during medical education and health economics sparked a fascination with system-wide impact; Deloitte and later Carnall Farrar offered the right blend of clinical relevance and healthcare specialization, enabling real transformation work.
Episode 15: Dr Zahra Safarfashandi on Breaking into Consulting, Leading in the Middle East, and Balancing Ambition with Intention
Q: What got you into medicine in the first place?
I was drawn to medicine by a mix of curiosity about science and a desire to help people, with family members who were in health or academia providing positive role models.
Episode 12: Dr Alice McGee on Rebuilding After Burnout, Breaking into FemTech, and Turning a Setback into a Startup
Q: What advice would you give clinicians considering leaving traditional practice?
Go for it if you have a gut feeling, build a clear skill map of what you can offer, and remember you can always return to clinical work if needed.
Episode 12: Dr Alice McGee on Rebuilding After Burnout, Breaking into FemTech, and Turning a Setback into a Startup
Q: What role did ByteLabs and building a network play in your career trajectory?
ByteLabs provided community, exposure, and practical learning that helped her feel she belonged in health tech and accelerated her transition from clinician to tech-adjacent roles.

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The series centers on clinicians who move beyond traditional medical training to pursue independent, impact-driven paths in healthtech, policy, investment, and leadership. Conversations cover career pivots, founder journeys, balancing clinical work with entrepreneurship, and the practical realities of translating ideas into real-world healthcare solutions. Notable threads include licensing IP, clinician-led investing, NHS digital transformation, and the ethics of leading startups while remaining clinically active. The show stands out for its hands-on stories, transparency about risk and trade-offs, and concrete lessons for clinicians exploring non-clinical career options and healthtech ventures.

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2. Guy Northover
3. Meenakshi Jhala
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5. Rishi Das-Gupta
6. James Somauroo
7. Dr Farzana Rahman
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