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Lessons I Learned in Law

Heriot Brown
Legal Profession
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Scott Brown is a 'recovering lawyer'. Following years working in international law firms, Scott now runs Heriot Brown, a Legal Recruitment business. His extensive discussions with people across the legal profession have given him insight into what makes lawyers tick. Now, Scott shares those insights with you - to help you in your career. On each episode Scott invites guests to leave their egos at ... more

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Umar Aziz, Partner, Chief Operating Officer and General Counsel at DG Partners, joins Scott Brown to share lessons from a career that nearly took him into shipping brokerage before a major life event brought him back to law.

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Selene Brett, Chief Legal, Risk and Compliance Officer at PPRO, joins Scott Brown to share thoughtful lessons on legal leadership, humility, and how lawyers can add real value without hiding behind the mystique of the profession.

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Jim Shaughnessy, Chief Legal Officer at DocuSign, joins Scott Brown to share lessons from more than 20 years operating at the top of global legal teams.

In this episode of Lessons I Learned in Law, Jim reflects on his role leading legal at DocuSign,... more

James Ryan, Chief Legal Officer and Chief Business Officer at BioNTech, joins Scott Brown to discuss the lessons he’s learned leading through one of the most transformative periods in the biotech industry.

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Selene Brett
Chief Legal Risk and Compliance Officer at PPRO
PPRO
Episode: Lawyers Are Special, But Not That Special: Selene Brett at PPRO on Influence, Empathy and Making It Count
Jim Shaughnessy
CLO at DocuSign
DocuSign
Episode: 🎙️ Influence, Excellence and Professional Identity: Jim Shaughnessy at DocuSign
James Ryan
Chief Legal Officer and Chief Business Officer at BioNTech
BioNTech
Episode: Curiosity, Objectivity & Leadership Under Pressure: James Ryan at BioNTech
Lucy Tyrrell
General Counsel at Wordsmith AI
Wordsmith AI
Episode: Think Like the Business: Lucy Tyrrell at Wordsmith AI on Legal Engineering, AI and Smarter In-House Teams
Jonathan Wiseman
General Counsel and Chief People Officer at Ocado Retail
Ocado Retail
Episode: 🎙️ Step Outside Your Swim Lane: Jonathan Wiseman at Ocado Retail on Influence, Risk and Career Growth
Rachel Canham
Group General Counsel and Company Secretary for Rentokil Initial
Rentokil Initial
Episode: 🎙️ Perspective, Candour and Strategic Leadership: Rachel Canham at Rentokil Initial (100th Episode Special)
Dean Nash
Chief Operating Officer for Legal within Banco Santander
Banco Santander
Episode: Lean Into Your USP: Dean Nash at Banco Santander on Momentum, Leadership and Legal Transformation
Justine Campbell
Chief Legal Officer at National Grid
National Grid
Episode: 🎙️ Insight Over Information: Justine Campbell at National Grid on Context, Integrity and Leading at Scale
Kevin Massie
General Counsel, Imperial Brands PLC
Imperial Brands PLC
Episode: Beyond the Title: Kevin Massie on Earning Your Seat at the Table as GC of a FTSE 30

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Scott Brown
Host of the show; runs Heriot Brown Legal Recruitment; recounted as a recovering lawyer.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 41 ratings
  • Informative, educational and entertaining

    Really enjoyed your interview with Jon Wiseman - and inspiration to us all.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Very clever person
    Australia2 months ago
  • Good!

    Very enjoyable - good questions and insightful answers - useful for my role in legal training

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    guy who listens to this
    Hong Kong5 years ago
  • Fresh and relevant

    Quality audio, content and entertainment! More of the same please Scott.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Funkie Toni
    United Kingdom5 years ago

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A consistent mix of leadership, culture and technology themes is engaging
Production quality is strong and guest discussions feel authentic and actionable
High-quality questions and credible guests make episodes valuable for training teams
Insightful interviews with practical takeaways for lawyers in business
Sponsors and sponsor messages feel relevant to in-house legal work

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#247
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Lawyers Are Special, But Not That Special: Selene Brett at PPRO on Influence, Empathy and Making It Count
Q: What have been the key moments in your 14- to 24-month trajectory at PPRO that helped you make it count?
Selene emphasizes making difficult conversations with empathy and honesty, leveraging a strong network, and focusing on relationship-building beyond her immediate role to drive broader impact.
Lawyers Are Special, But Not That Special: Selene Brett at PPRO on Influence, Empathy and Making It Count
Q: What drew you to the in-house path at PPRO, and how did the CEO influence your decision?
She was attracted by a CEO with a clear growth agenda who valued the second-line functions, seeing the role as a way to unify risk, compliance, outsourcing, and internal audit under one leadership umbrella.
Lawyers Are Special, But Not That Special: Selene Brett at PPRO on Influence, Empathy and Making It Count
Q: How do you manage the tension between being a guardian of ethics and being a collaborative partner with the business?
Selene describes leaning into vulnerability and humility, using empathy to inform governance while ensuring she is part of a collective solution rather than the sole authority, which helps balance risk with practical business needs.
Multiple Truths Can Be True: Emilie Mathieu on Leading at Checkout.com
Q: How did Emilie approach stepping into an executive role and building trust with a large team?
She emphasized earning trust through regular one-to-ones, listening to diverse viewpoints, and giving team members ownership to foster a collaborative, accountable environment.
🎙️ Build, Don’t Brew: Andy Cooke on Product Thinking, Influence & Culture at Perk
Q: Could you start at the top and tell us a bit about your current role, overview the team size and a bit about the business as well?
I am Chief Legal Officer at Travel Perk. Travel Perk is a category-defining travel and expense management platform with a growing team, scalable across Europe, and a culture built around automation, AI, and a customer-centric approach to deliver value quickly.

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The show centers on leadership, career development, and practical wisdom for in-house legal professionals and those advancing in corporate law. Guests are typically senior in-house attorneys such as General Counsels, Chief Legal Officers, and heads of legal operations from tech, finance, healthcare, and other regulated industries. Episodes emphasize strategic thinking, cross-functional collaboration, governance, and the evolving role of law in business, with practical takeaways on mentoring, team culture, and leveraging technology and AI to scale impact. A notable strength is the candid, outcome-focused conversations that blend legal craft with business acumen, often including real-world stories from large multinational organizations and fa... more

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