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Interchangeable White Ladies Podcast

Hope Teague-Bowling & Megan Holyoke & Annie Jansen
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Tacoma
Racial Justice
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Anger As an Emotion
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White Privilege
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We're launching the Interchangeable White Ladies podcast a show where we discuss education, culture, and local activism. We’re teachers so we have an essential question--How can white women use their privilege to deconstruct white culture, confront their own biases, be better allies, and be less basic? Listen to the Interchangeable White Ladies podcast to learn about all that and more!

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Noelle Cook
Ethnographer and researcher specializing in women's participation in conspiratorial and right-wing movements
Author of The Conspiracists, Women, Extremism, and the Lore of Belonging
Episode: Ep. 235: Conspiracy Theories & The Women Who Love Them w/ Author Noelle Cook
Irina Russ-Butness
Tacoma Porchfest founder, arts organizer
Tacoma Porchfest, Tacoma Honkfest, Tacoma Rama Community Street Band
Episode: Ep. 234: Community Building As Protest: Porchfest Edition
Laura Rademacher
Licensed marriage and family therapist, certified sex therapist, and coach; author and educator
Laura Rademacher, LLC
Episode: Ep. 233: Sex, Identity, and The Stories We Inherit w/ Sex Therapist Laura Rademacher
Lauren Brosecker
Flora advisor, former high school English teacher turned travel advisor
Fora (host agency)
Episode: Ep. 232: Don’t Let Fear Stop You From Taking That Trip
Nate Nabudabi
Listener and caller who asks about the shadow docket and Roberts' role
Channel 253 listener (Abu Dhabi)
Episode: Ep. 231: Creeping In The Shadows with Supreme Court Justices
Kate Schatz
Feminist author, educator, and public speaker; New York Times bestselling author
Rad Women book series; Where the Girls Were; Do the Work
Episode: Ep. 229: They’re Not Real, So Why Am I Crying w/ Author Kate Schatz
Margot Douaihy
Author, editor, and professor based in Northampton, Massachusetts
Author of Divine Ruin; Quartet series including Scorched Grace, Blessed Water
Episode: Ep. 228 Sisters, Sinners & Sleuths w/ Author Margot Douaihy
Sweet Pea Flaherty
A bookseller at King's Books in Tacoma since 2000.
King's Books
Episode: Ep. 226: What’s For Dinner w/ sweetpea flaherty
Misty Heggeness
Co-director of the Kansas Population Center, associate professor of economics and public affairs at the University of Kansas, author of "Swift Dynamics: How Women Mastermind and Redefine Our Economy".
University of Kansas
Episode: Ep. 225: What Pop Culture Icons Can Teach Us About Economics w/ Swiftynomics Author Misty Heggeness

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Hope
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Annie
Co-host of the Interchangeable White Ladies Podcast

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4.9 out of 5 stars from 65 ratings
  • Fantastic show!

    Love the humor and banter between these two hosts. The content is always spot on and always leaves me with tangible ways to do work to be better informed and key things to be aware of impacting students and community.

    Awesome work! Thank you ladies!!!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Sankofa253
    United States4 years ago
  • One of my favorites from Channel253!

    As a white woman in education, this podcast is one of my go to resources for how to be anti-racist in my particular context. I always learn something new from the conversations Hope and Annie (and now Hope and Megan!) have with amazing guests. These conversations have been especially important and grounding during this unprecedented back to school season. Thank you IWL and Channel253 for this awesome podcast!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    kaylahipp14
    United States6 years ago
  • Excellent.

    I have really enjoyed listening to this podcast, they are discussing issues that desperately need to be addressed, especially among the white moderate. I especially love the episodes interviewing some of the prominent voices in today’s social justice movement.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Joshtromero
    United States7 years ago
  • A bad case of white guilt disorder

    Please see a professional about this ladies.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Amy Meditate
    United States7 years ago
  • Listen!

    This podcast is extremely relevant. The hosts are critical thinkers who are in touch with the community and their practice. Anyone in education needs to listen. Start from the beginning!!! Recommend big time!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    SraChancla
    United States7 years ago

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Audiences value practical takeaways for anti-racism and allyship in education and community work.
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Regulars appreciate the thoughtful, literature-informed discussions and real-world implications for educators and activists.

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Ep. 234: Community Building As Protest: Porchfest Edition
Q: How did PorchFest start and evolve in Tacoma?
It began as a neighborhood idea centered on porch spaces and music, grew through active outreach to hosts, volunteers, and nearby business districts, and expanded to more porches, more bands, and a second day to accommodate growth and maintain a walkable footprint.
Ep. 229: They’re Not Real, So Why Am I Crying w/ Author Kate Schatz
Q: What inspired you to pivot from non-fiction to fiction for this story?
I wanted to explore a rich, character-driven world and give myself space to imagine different experiences within the maternity home context, while also honoring my mom's story with enough distance to explore broader themes.
Ep. 228 Sisters, Sinners & Sleuths w/ Author Margot Douaihy
Q: How do you access Sister Holiday's voice when writing, and what is your process for staying in character across multiple books?
I use a combination of quiet prayer and reflection, leaning on the character's inner logic and the support of the community she builds within the stories. The character acts as a tuning fork to align my own memory, experiences, and imagination with her world, which helps me stay consistent across the quartet.
Ep. 226: What’s For Dinner w/ sweetpea flaherty
Q: What books or trends do you think will define the reading experience for 2026?
Sweet Pea Flaherty and the hosts discuss various upcoming books and literary trends including poetry collections, memoirs, and cookbooks.
Ep. 225: What Pop Culture Icons Can Teach Us About Economics w/ Swiftynomics Author Misty Heggeness
Q: What can be done in terms of those issues to alleviate that poverty?
I think we need public policies to step in, like universal child care, which is not rocket science and has been proven feasible.

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2. Irina Russ-Butness
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