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For the Sake of the Argument with Lori Goldman

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Michigan
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American Federation Of Teachers
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Lori Pohutsky

On For the Sake of the Argument, Lori Goldman sits down with Michigan’s elected officials to talk policy, real life, and ask the kinds of questions that make press secretaries sweat. For the Sake of the Argument is a Distill Social production.

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Katrina Manetta joins the show to discuss her campaign in HD-58, the necessity of retaking the Michigan legislature, and more.

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Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, candidate for U.S. Senate in Michigan, and Attorney General Dana Nessel sit down with Lori to discuss their areas of common ground, their disagreements, divisions within the Democratic Party, how we can come together to defeat Mik... more

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Aastha Singh, President of the MSU College Democrats, joins the show to talk about how her organization is energizing young people to vote this year, what Democrats need to do to excite young voters again, Will Lawrence's race in MI-7, and much more.... more

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Lt. Governor Garlin Gilchrist joins Lori to talk about his current bid for Secretary of State, his Trump crazy opponent, and what he will do to build on current Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson’s improvements.

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Ruby, Amanda, and Justin from We the People Action Fund join Lori to talk about election defense. Trump and his cronies are already setting the stage to claim the midterms will be stolen if they don't go his way. What can we learn from what happened ... more

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Donovan McKinney, candidate for Michigan's 13th Congressional district, discusses his primary challenge against Rep. Shri Thanedar, his views on foreign policy and ICE, democratic socialism, and more.

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Michigan State Rep. Laurie Pohutsky (HD-17) joins the show to discuss the various betrayals from Whitmer in the last few months, from the closure of Planned Parenthoods, to AI data centers, to Line 5 and more. Rep. Pohutsky also discusses her view of... more

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Social media star Kay (@HearMeOutOnThis) Joins Lori today to talk about the state of the democratic party; from their various disappointments to the idea that they seem to fight harder against Progressives in their own party than MAGA republicans. Th... more

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Recent Guests

Katrina Manetta
Democratic candidate for Michigan House District 58
Candidate, Michigan House District 58
Episode: Katrina Manetta on the Importance of Democrats Retaking the Michigan Legislature
Abdul El-Sayed
US Senate candidate, former Detroit health director
Michigan
Episode: Dr. Abdul El-Sayed & AG Dana Nessel Talk Israel, AI, Beating Mike Rogers, and More
Aastha Singh
President of MSU College Democrats
Michigan State University College Democrats
Episode: How Do We Win Back Young Voters? with Aastha Singh
Garlin Gilchrist II
Lieutenant Governor of Michigan, Democratic nominee for Secretary of State
Michigan Government
Episode: Lt. Gov. Garlin Gilchrist II On How We Can Protect Our Elections
Lori Pohutsky
Michigan State Representative, House District 17
Michigan House of Representatives
Episode: Governor Whitmer's Betrayals & Moving Michigan Forward with State Rep. Laurie Pohutsky
Parker Ward
Vice President, CMU Young College Dems (Michigan College Dems)
Michigan College Dems
Episode: Energizing the Youth with MI College Dems VP Parker Ward
Dylan Wegela
State Representative, Michigan House District 26
Michigan House of Representatives
Episode: What's in the New Michigan Budget? With State Rep. Dylan Wegela
Eboni Taylor
Candidate for Michigan State Senate, District 3
Candidate, Michigan Senate District 3
Episode: Eboni Taylor on Making Detroit More Affordable
Andy Buchsbaum
Executive Director, Oil and Water Don't Mix
Oil and Water Don't Mix
Episode: Protecting Our Great Lakes by Combating Line 5

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Lori Goldman
Host of For the Sake of the Argument, Distill Social

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How Do We Win Back Young Voters? with Aastha Singh
Q: How do you address skepticism or disinterest among students?
By giving them a voice in a relaxed, interactive setting (e.g., bracelet-making events, small-group conversations) and showing that campaigning is about connecting with them, not lecturing them, while leveraging peer networks and relatable messaging.
How Do We Win Back Young Voters? with Aastha Singh
Q: What are young people on your campus excited about, either candidate-wise or issue-wise?
They're drawn to candidates like Abdul and the broader emphasis on elections up and down the ballot, with a focus on local issues such as education and data centers, alongside national concerns. The strategy includes explaining the importance of CD7 and engaging students through town halls and on-campus events.
Katrina Manetta on the Importance of Democrats Retaking the Michigan Legislature
Q: Tell us about McComb Defenders Rising and how that work translates into public service.
Manetta describes building a people-powered movement of thousands, emphasizing active participation and accountability, with conversations at the doors shaping her platform and campaign.
Katrina Manetta on the Importance of Democrats Retaking the Michigan Legislature
Q: If listeners want to support your campaign, what should they do in the last month and a half of election season?
She directs supporters to katrinamanetta.com for donations and volunteering, highlighting a grassroots model funded by small contributions and door-to-door organizing as a core strategy.
Katrina Manetta on the Importance of Democrats Retaking the Michigan Legislature
Q: Can you give us an idea what you would like to see if Democrats retake the chamber, what you would like to see the Michigan House Democrats focus on that might change our lives for the better?
She describes a proactive, day-one legislative push to lower costs for Michiganders, with concrete steps such as freezing energy rates and securing timely power reimbursements, plus immediate relief for seniors and families.

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The show features in-depth conversations with Michigan politicians, policy advocates, and public-interest voices focused on housing, healthcare, education, immigration, and governance. Episodes frequently center on progressive policy ideas, anti-corruption measures, and the practical impacts of political decisions on everyday people, from housing affordability and utility costs to immigrant rights and education funding. A recurring emphasis on reform, accountability, and grassroots organizing helps listeners understand how policy shifts affect communities and provides listeners with concrete proposals and real-world examples. A notable strength is the guest roster, which includes state representatives, state senators, and notable advocates ... more

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