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For the Sake of the Argument with Lori Goldman

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Michigan
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Healthcare Reform
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Saline Data Center
DTE Energy
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Affordable Housing
American Federation Of Teachers
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Teacher Salaries
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Lori Pohutsky

On For the Sake of the Argument, Lori Goldman sits down with Michigan’s elected officials to talk policy, real life, and ask the kinds of questions that make press secretaries sweat. For the Sake of the Argument is a Distill Social production.

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Donovan McKinney, candidate for Michigan's 13th Congressional district, discusses his primary challenge against Rep. Shri Thanedar, his views on foreign policy and ICE, democratic socialism, and more.

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Michigan State Rep. Laurie Pohutsky (HD-17) joins the show to discuss the various betrayals from Whitmer in the last few months, from the closure of Planned Parenthoods, to AI data centers, to Line 5 and more. Rep. Pohutsky also discusses her view of... more

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Social media star Kay (@HearMeOutOnThis) Joins Lori today to talk about the state of the democratic party; from their various disappointments to the idea that they seem to fight harder against Progressives in their own party than MAGA republicans. Th... more

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On todays episode Lori is joined by the Vice President of the Michigan College Democrats to discuss the current Michigan Senate Primary, organizing on college campuses and what the Democrats need to do to appeal to young voters.

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Lori Pohutsky
Michigan State Representative, House District 17
Michigan House of Representatives
Episode: Governor Whitmer's Betrayals & Moving Michigan Forward with State Rep. Laurie Pohutsky
Parker Ward
Vice President, CMU Young College Dems (Michigan College Dems)
Michigan College Dems
Episode: Energizing the Youth with MI College Dems VP Parker Ward
Eboni Taylor
Candidate for Michigan State Senate, District 3
Candidate, Michigan Senate District 3
Episode: Eboni Taylor on Making Detroit More Affordable
Andy Buchsbaum
Executive Director, Oil and Water Don't Mix
Oil and Water Don't Mix
Episode: Protecting Our Great Lakes by Combating Line 5
Samantha Steckloff
State representative, running for re-election in Michigan's House District 19
Michigan House of Representatives
Episode: State Rep. Samantha Steckloff on Protecting Reproductive Rights & Confronting Hate
Dr. Anil Kumar
Physician, running for Michigan's 11th Congressional District
Independent candidate in the Michigan 11th District
Episode: Can an Independent Win in Michigan? with Dr. Anil Kumar
Katrina Manetta
House District 58 candidate
Candidate, Michigan House District 58
Episode: From Organizer to Candidate with Katrina Manetta
Alex Hawkins
Candidate for Michigan House District 55; former army bomb technician; former staffer for Alyssa Slotkin
Republican candidate, Michigan House District 55
Episode: Alex Hawkins: From the Bomb Squad to Aspiring Politician
Donovan McKinney
Democratic Socialist candidate for Michigan's 13th Congressional District
Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)
Episode: Donavan McKinney Wants Detroit to Have Better Representation

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Lori Goldman
Host of For the Sake of the Argument, Distill Social

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Governor Whitmer's Betrayals & Moving Michigan Forward with State Rep. Laurie Pohutsky
Q: Can you explain to our listeners what those nine bills were and why Governor Whitmer vetoed them all?
They were largely non-controversial, mundane bills, including funding for regional museums, health care premium shares for teachers and staff, and bringing corrections workers into the state pension system. The governor argued that the timing and enactment dates would cause chaos, but the guest emphasizes how the bills addressed critical needs and that the vetoes appear to be driven by broader political calculations rather than the merits of the bills.
How Can State Legislators Resist Trump's ICE with Stephanie Chang
Q: What can residents do to influence state energy policy and defend consumers?
Contact state senators and representatives, engage with the Senate Energy and Environment Committee, support virtual power plants and community solar, and advocate for longer-term rate-hike planning.
How Can State Legislators Resist Trump's ICE with Stephanie Chang
Q: What has been done so far to oppose ICE in Detroit and what more is needed at the state level?
Chang outlines efforts including bills to unmask ICE agents, protect schools and places of worship, safeguard private data, and increase oversight, with committee hearings and a push for Senate votes.
Carrie Rheingans on Reforming Healthcare & Abolishing ICE
Q: Should Democrats focus on reforming or abolishing ICE?
The guest clearly advocates for abolishing ICE and replacing it with non-militarized enforcement mechanisms to address immigration violations, arguing that the current structure is ineffective and harmful.
Carrie Rheingans on Reforming Healthcare & Abolishing ICE
Q: What happens with the impeachment resolution against Kristi Noem?
The resolution was sent to a committee to die, as is common for such motions in state legislatures, with no vote or public hearing, while lawmakers continue to express their views and push for federal action.

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The show features in-depth conversations with Michigan politicians, policy advocates, and public-interest voices focused on housing, healthcare, education, immigration, and governance. Episodes frequently center on progressive policy ideas, anti-corruption measures, and the practical impacts of political decisions on everyday people, from housing affordability and utility costs to immigrant rights and education funding. A recurring emphasis on reform, accountability, and grassroots organizing helps listeners understand how policy shifts affect communities and provides listeners with concrete proposals and real-world examples. A notable strength is the guest roster, which includes state representatives, state senators, and notable advocates ... more

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