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For the Sake of the Argument with Lori Goldman

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On For the Sake of the Argument, Lori Goldman sits down with Michigan’s elected officials to talk policy, real life, and ask the kinds of questions that make press secretaries sweat. For the Sake of the Argument is a Distill Social production.

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On todays episode Lori is joined by the Vice President of the Michigan College Democrats to discuss the current Michigan Senate Primary, organizing on college campuses and what the Democrats need to do to appeal to young voters.

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State Rep. Dylan Wegela (HD-26) joins the show to discuss the newest budget passed by the Michigan legislature, the bills Governor Whitmer recently vetoed, his hopes for the DSA left moving forward, and much more.

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Taya, the creator behind Debate Her ( @debateher ), and Jenna (@thearcherdispatch) joins the show to discuss the danger of Flock "Safety" surveillance, the fight against data centers, the recall election of Dave Woodward, and many more troubling deve... more

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Eboni Taylor, candidate for Michigan's 3rd Senate District, joins the show to discuss her campaign for state government, how she intends to stand up to DTE, how we should deal with Michigan's growing data center troubles, and her hopes for the progre... more

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Today, Lori is joined by Andy Buchsbaum of Oil and Water Don't Mix to talk about the devastating environmental impacts that Embridge's line 5 could have on our great lakes if it is allowed to continue piping crude oil. Andy dismantles common misconce... more

Michigan State Representative Samantha Steckloff (HD-19) joins the show to discuss how her cancer diagnoses informs her politics, what she has done to protect reproductive rights, confronting both antisemitism and islamophobia, and lowering costs for... more

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Dr. Anil Kumar joins Lori to talk about his run as an independent for Michigan's 11th congressional district. Dr. Kumar talks about the challenges of running as neither a Republican or Democrat despite his Democrat aligned values, his experience as a... more

Katrina Manetta, candidate for State House district 58 in Michigan, joins the show to discuss her history as an organizer and her current candidacy, making life more affordable, combating the Trump administration, and more.Support the show: www.linkt... more

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Natalie Price
Currently House Rep for the 6th district in Michigan and running for the 10th Senate district.
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Mai Xiong
House District Representative, District 13
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Episode: Mai Xiong Talks Defunding ICE and Her Controversial Detroit Autoshow Dress
Christina Hines
Running for Michigan's 10th Congressional District
Episode: Can Christina Hines Replace John James in MI-10?
Joanna Whaley
Democratic candidate for Michigan House District 2 and rights advocate
Candidate for Michigan House District 2
Episode: The Threat of Christian Nationalism with Joanna Whaley
Miriam Stone
Sister of Ernesto Cuevas, who was detained by ICE
Episode: The Injustice of ICE with Miriam Stone
Dr. Abdul El-Sayed
A public health expert and Senate candidate from Michigan
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Episode: RERUN: Diagnosing America's Ills with Dr. Abdul El Sayed
Dr. Pamela Pugh
President of the Michigan State Board of Education and candidate for Senate District 35
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Christy McGillivray
Executive Director of Voters Not Politicians
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Lori Goldman
Host of For the Sake of the Argument, Distill Social

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State Rep .Natalie Price Discusses Her Minnesota Visit
Q: What's one concrete action that people can take this week that'll kind of be helpful in some way?
Reach out to community organizers and offer your skills or resources to support those impacted by ICE operations.
State Rep. Kristian Grant Breaks Down the Housing Crisis
Q: What do you think the top concerns of Democrats should be going into these midterms?
Grant believes the focus should be on affordability issues and addressing community concerns over public safety and education.
State Rep. Kristian Grant Breaks Down the Housing Crisis
Q: How did your time on the Grand Rapids School Board prepare you for work in the Michigan State House?
Grant explains that her experience taught her the broader social issues affecting students, linking education to economic development and community needs.
State Rep. Kristian Grant Breaks Down the Housing Crisis
Q: What do you think we need to do to address housing affordability?
Grant emphasizes the need to address zoning policies and propose more flexible housing options including duplexes and ADUs to lower costs and increase availability.
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Q: What do you think his weaknesses are in this campaign?
Abdul's challenge will be contending with the Democratic establishment's efforts that could undermine his candidacy, despite his potential to resonate with disillusioned voters.

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The show features in-depth conversations with Michigan politicians, policy advocates, and public-interest voices focused on housing, healthcare, education, immigration, and governance. Episodes frequently center on progressive policy ideas, anti-corruption measures, and the practical impacts of political decisions on everyday people, from housing affordability and utility costs to immigrant rights and education funding. A recurring emphasis on reform, accountability, and grassroots organizing helps listeners understand how policy shifts affect communities and provides listeners with concrete proposals and real-world examples. A notable strength is the guest roster, which includes state representatives, state senators, and notable advocates ... more

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