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For the Sake of the Argument with Lori Goldman

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On For the Sake of the Argument, Lori Goldman sits down with Michigan’s elected officials to talk policy, real life, and ask the kinds of questions that make press secretaries sweat. For the Sake of the Argument is a Distill Social production.

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Justin Onwenu, Detroit Director of Entrepreneurship and Economic Opportunity and former organizer for One Fair Wage, discusses his run for the 1st State Senate District in Michigan. Onwenu talks about his experience working for the city, his top issu... more

Michigan State Rep. Kristian Grant (HD-82) joins the show to talk about housing affordability, building on-ramps and off-ramps for the housing market, safety considerations for housing construction, and what Democrats should be focused on moving forw... more

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Today, Lori is joined by Michigan State Representative Natalie Price as she details her harrowing visit to Minnesota. Price speaks about her experience witnessing the ICE occupation, what the Michigan state legislature can do to stop things here from... more

Lori is joined by Abraham Aiyash to talk about his bid for Michigan Senate district. Find out his top three legislative priorities as well as some insider information on just how deep the DTE rot goes throughout the Michigan legislature.

State Representative Mai Xiong joins Lori on today's episode to chat about ICE's recent abuses and how she's taking a unique stand. She also shares her families harrowing refugee story and how that has shaped her and her politics.Support the show: ⁠w... more

This episode was first aired on July 29, 2025State Senator and candidate for US Senate in Michigan Mallory McMorrow joins the show to discuss her time as a state senator, how she plans to reach voters from now through 2026, her stance on universal he... more

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Christina Hines, candidate for Michigan's 10th Congressional District, joins the show to talk about the major issues facing Michigan, including healthcare costs, billionaires meddling in politics, Trump's mass deportation effort, and more. In additio... more

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Joanna Whaley, candidate for Michigan State House District 2, joins the pod to discuss her time in the Evangelical church, how her transgender identity plays a role in her faith, the economic issues facing House District 2, and growing the threat of ... more

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Recent Guests

Kristian Grant
State Representative in the 82nd House District of Michigan
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Episode: State Rep. Kristian Grant Breaks Down the Housing Crisis
Natalie Price
Currently House Rep for the 6th district in Michigan and running for the 10th Senate district.
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Episode: State Rep .Natalie Price Discusses Her Minnesota Visit
Mai Xiong
House District Representative, District 13
Michigan House of Representatives
Episode: Mai Xiong Talks Defunding ICE and Her Controversial Detroit Autoshow Dress
Christina Hines
Running for Michigan's 10th Congressional District
Episode: Can Christina Hines Replace John James in MI-10?
Joanna Whaley
Democratic candidate for Michigan House District 2 and rights advocate
Candidate for Michigan House District 2
Episode: The Threat of Christian Nationalism with Joanna Whaley
Miriam Stone
Sister of Ernesto Cuevas, who was detained by ICE
Episode: The Injustice of ICE with Miriam Stone
Dr. Pamela Pugh
President of the Michigan State Board of Education and candidate for Senate District 35
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Episode: The Race for Michigan's 35th Senate District with Dr. Pamela Pugh
Christy McGillivray
Executive Director of Voters Not Politicians
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Episode: AI Data Centers & Dismantling Corporate Power with Christy McGillivray
William Lawrence
Candidate for Michigan's 7th Congressional District
Episode: The American Dream is Dead with William Lawrence

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Lori Goldman
Host known for engaging political discussions and probing questions, often focusing on policy implications in real life.

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State Rep .Natalie Price Discusses Her Minnesota Visit
Q: What's one concrete action that people can take this week that'll kind of be helpful in some way?
Reach out to community organizers and offer your skills or resources to support those impacted by ICE operations.
State Rep. Kristian Grant Breaks Down the Housing Crisis
Q: What do you think the top concerns of Democrats should be going into these midterms?
Grant believes the focus should be on affordability issues and addressing community concerns over public safety and education.
State Rep. Kristian Grant Breaks Down the Housing Crisis
Q: How did your time on the Grand Rapids School Board prepare you for work in the Michigan State House?
Grant explains that her experience taught her the broader social issues affecting students, linking education to economic development and community needs.
State Rep. Kristian Grant Breaks Down the Housing Crisis
Q: What do you think we need to do to address housing affordability?
Grant emphasizes the need to address zoning policies and propose more flexible housing options including duplexes and ADUs to lower costs and increase availability.
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Q: What do you think his weaknesses are in this campaign?
Abdul's challenge will be contending with the Democratic establishment's efforts that could undermine his candidacy, despite his potential to resonate with disillusioned voters.

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