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Chain of Thought | AI Agents, Infrastructure & Engineering

Conor Bronsdon
Artificial Intelligence
Generative AI
AI Agents
Software Development
Galileo
Agentic AI
Machine Learning
Spot AI
Healthcare
Multi-Agent Systems
AI Reliability
Venture Capital
AI Adoption
Open Source
Gemini
Startup Culture
Customer Trust
Language Tasks
AI Engineering
Observability

AI is reshaping infrastructure, strategy, and entire industries. Host Conor Bronsdon talks to the engineers, founders, and researchers building breakthrough AI systems about what it actually takes to ship AI in production, where the opportunities lie, and how leaders should think about the strategic bets ahead. Chain of Thought translates technical depth into actionable insights for builders and d... more

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Charles Guillemet is CTO of Ledger and the founder of the Donjon, Ledger's internal offensive security lab whose job is to break the company's own products before attackers do. He spent a decade in cryptography and hardware security before Ledger, in... more

Jiaona Zhang(JZ) is the Chief Product Officer at Laurel, where the team runs its own product on itself to see exactly where AI helps and where it doesn't. Before Laurel, JZ built products at Airbnb, Dropbox, Webflow, and Linktree, and she has taught ... more

Most of the web will never get APIs for AI agents. School district sites, small business pages, government offices, and the long tail of e-commerce were built for humans, and they will keep working that way for years. So how do agents actually get th... more

Kristin "Kris" Lovejoy has spent her career inside the systems the global economy runs on: banks, hospitals, energy grids, governments. Today she is Global Head of Strategy at Kyndryl, the world's largest IT infrastructure services provider, working ... more

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Recent Guests

Jiaona Zhang
CPO at Laurel, described as Test Subject 1 for AI in production
Laurel
Episode: Stop Token Maxxing: Find Where AI Actually Pays Off | Jiaona Zhang
Dhruv Batra
Co-founder and Chief Scientist of Yutori
Yutori
Episode: Most of the Web Will Never Get APIs for AI Agents | Dhruv Batra
Kris Lovejoy
Global head of strategy at Kyndryl
Kyndryl
Episode: The First Fully Autonomous AI Attack Is 18 Months Away | Kristin Lovejoy
Jerry Liu
Co-founder and CEO of LlamaIndex
LlamaIndex
Episode: The AI Framework Era Is Over: Why Context Is the Moat | Jerry Liu
Tyler Akidau
CTO of Red Panda; veteran at Google and Snowflake; author and researcher on streaming systems
Red Panda
Episode: We Built Agents, Nobody Built HR | Tyler Akidau, Redpanda
Loïc Houssier
CTO of Superhuman Mail
Superhuman
Episode: How Superhuman Built AI Into a 100ms Product | Loïc Houssier
Daniel Chait
CEO and co-founder of Greenhouse
Greenhouse
Episode: The AI Hiring Doom Loop: Applications Up 239%, Hires Down 75%
Alex Ratner
CEO of Snorkel AI
Snorkel AI
Episode: Every AI Agent Has an Evaluation Gap | Alex Ratner, Snorkel AI
Sudhir Hasbe
President and Chief Product Officer at Neo4j
Neo4j
Episode: Hallucinations Are a Data Architecture Problem | Sudhir Hasbe, Neo4j

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Conor Bronsdon
Host of Chain of Thought, guiding conversations with guests and exploring practical AI production strategies.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 146 ratings
  • A Must Listen for Anyone Entering AI Space

    New to the AI space and this podcast has been a game changer. Conor brings in leading experts and breaks down complex topics in a way that actually makes sense. Whether you’re a college student just discovering AI, a curious newcomer, or already deep in the field — Chain of Thought fills a real gap. Conor is also just a genuinely great person — it comes through in every episode. Highly recommend.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Teo of the West
    United States3 months ago
  • always well researched

    Conor does a great job of bringing the most relevant convos to the table, proving that timing + quality wins every time. have this on auto-download

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    sk8
    United States3 months ago
  • Excellent Resource for AI Insight and Great Ear Feel

    Always a pleasant and informative listen. Do I want to drift off to sleep to the sound of Conor’s voice? Absolutely! But can I? NO! Because I’m absolutely riveted by the education and insight. Can’t stop won’t stop listening to this podcast.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    IHeartPonycorns
    United States4 months ago
  • Cutting-edge AI insights

    Conor does a great job finding excellent guests and letting them talk about how they use AI. In a fast-changing world, Chain of Thought is a key part of my podcast routine to stay in touch.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    gbronsdon
    United States4 months ago
  • Thought provoking

    Really enjoyed it

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    d1ngd0ng
    United States5 months ago

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Production quality and host guidance are consistently strong, with engaging guest lineups.
Conversations are well-researched and produce timely, high-signal takeaways.
The host helps translate complex topics into actionable plans for builders and decision-makers.
Listeners note the show stays practical and avoids sales pitches while diving into real-world AI challenges.
Guests bring deep technical insights from AI infrastructure and product deployment.

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#153
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Every AI Agent Has an Evaluation Gap | Alex Ratner, Snorkel AI
Q: How has data-centric AI evolved at Snorkel, and why is data now central to AI development?
Over the years Snorkel shifted from labeling to building data environments and benchmarks, arguing that data—not just models—drives AI progress. The focus is on expert-driven data and environments to measure, tune, and improve agents, and to scale AI in production while ensuring reliable evaluation across complex tasks.
Every AI Agent Has an Evaluation Gap | Alex Ratner, Snorkel AI
Q: Can you tell us more about what Snorkel's Open Benchmarks grant program is aiming to fund?
The program provides grants for teams building benchmarks in open public settings, focused on three major axes—environment/input complexity, autonomy horizon, and output complexity—and is designed to accelerate collaboration with academic and open-source teams, with initial funding of $3 million and plans to expand.
Why LLMs Are Plausibility Engines, Not Truth Engines | Dan Klein
Q: What should enterprises focus on beyond benchmarks?
Enterprises should focus on reliability and the ability to ship under real-world constraints, including consistency across varied scenarios, auditable decision trails, and governance aligned with business risk—metrics that reflect true shipability rather than just benchmark scores.
Why LLMs Are Plausibility Engines, Not Truth Engines | Dan Klein
Q: How is APT1 architected differently to address reliability?
APT1 is built around information and actions, with metacognition and explicit semantics for actions; it uses data geared toward agentic tasks, tool use, and policy compliance, enabling stronger guarantees than token-only models.
Why LLMs Are Plausibility Engines, Not Truth Engines | Dan Klein
Q: What causes the gap between AI demos and reliable production systems?
The gap arises because current LLMs produce plausible outputs without guaranteed correctness or adherence to policies, so production needs architecture and data designed for reliability, with auditable traces and explicit action-capable capabilities rather than token-level outputs.

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What is Chain of Thought about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A deep-dissolve into how AI systems are built, deployed, and governed in production environments, with a focus on agent-based architectures, data-centric pipelines, memory and context management, and the human-in-the-loop controls that keep enterprise AI trustworthy. Episodes frequently explore practical trade-offs between performance and safety, architecture patterns for agent orchestration, and the evolving tooling and platforms that support scalable AI in real-world businesses. Noteworthy are candid discussions on measurement of ROI, governance, and memory architectures, plus behind-the-scenes looks at engineering teams shipping AI features in high-stakes settings. The show often features practitioners and leaders from AI infrastructure,... more

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