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Join us for thought provoking conversations on surveillance, digital privacy, and cybersecurity law and policy in the information age. Each week, hosts Dave Bittner and Ben Yelin break down the headlines, legal cases, and policy battles that matter most.

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This week, Dave and Ben look at two AI-related stories. The first involves the recent bankruptcy of Character.AI and the DoJ's privacy concerns related to the sale of AI chats. The other story looks at a lawsuit involving ChatGpt being sued after it... more

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This week, Dave and Ben look at how political campaigns are looking to utilize AI chatbots in their campaign messaging efforts alongside another story involving a woman who is facing years in prison after she was a victim of identity theft.

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This week, Dave and Ben look at a story that discusses the potential conflict between the next-generation of wearable technology and current state wiretapping laws. The two also look at a recent legal victory for AI coders.

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Recent Guests

Gary Barlet
Public sector chief technology officer at Illumio
Illumio
Episode: The AI election.
Danny Manimbo
ISO and AI practice leader
Schellman
Episode: The wearable wiretap.
Garfield Jones
Senior Vice President of Research and Strategy at QuSecure and former CISA executive for quantum security
QuSecure
Episode: Who’s liable when AI goes rogue?
Meredith Burkart
Senior Director of Government Affairs and Public Policy at Halcyon
Halcyon
Episode: Expanding the digital evidence trail.
Cal Al-Dubabe
Principal Technologist at Rubrik
Rubrik
Episode: The battle for AI regulation.
Mike Britton
CIO at Abnormal AI
Abnormal AI
Episode: Flipping AI’s kill switch.
Johnny Hand
From trend.ai, discussed AI and human context
trend.ai
Episode: Breaking big tech’s hold.
Asha Palmer
Senior Vice President of Compliance Solutions, Skillsoft
Skillsoft
Episode: AI’s latest security wake-up call.
Arvind Nitharkashayap
CTO and co-founder of Rubrik
Rubrik
Episode: AI sovereignty and surveillance.

Hosts

Ben Yelin
Co-host; law professor and legal commentator with a focus on privacy, surveillance, and policy.
Dave Bittner
Host; security journalist and analyst focusing on cyber policy, privacy law, and tech governance.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 136 ratings
  • Insightful and relevant

    This is one of my favorite podcast with a lot of regulation and privacy content that is not very common

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    5
    Maocol99
    United Statesa year ago
  • Good content but with a nauseating liberal bias

    Cyberwire Pro subscriber. The cases and discussions are informative but when it comes to the opinions expressed they are overwhelmingly left-leaning in political persuasion. The co-host attorney is your typical condescending coastal liberal elite professor type. I truly wish it was politically neutral. I will continue listening but will continue to hit skip when it comes to the nauseating hot takes.

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    Tyson Eats
    United States3 years ago
  • I now can listen again! Great podcast! It now plays using VPNs with anti malware/anti tracking VPNs.

    I now can listen again! Great podcast! It now plays using VPNs with anti malware/anti tracking VPNs.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    [REDACTED] USER
    United States3 years ago
  • Podcast doesn’t play while on VPN.

    Podcast doesn’t play while on VPN. Will you please fix this? Other podcasts play without any issues. I suspect it’s a setting within how you publish your content.

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    [REDACTED] USER
    United States3 years ago
  • Great resource

    I’ve assigned several episodes to students in my Cyber Law, Policy, and Ethics class for review. They all really enjoy the podcast. Thanks

    Apple Podcasts
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    spider280
    United States5 years ago

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Episodes are seen as informative for students and professionals alike, with actionable insights for policy and law.
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Some feedback notes perceived political bias and calls for more neutral framing.

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Talking Points

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The AI election.
Q: Can you just get into a little bit of that? Like what percentage of jurisdictions use electronic ballots only? Which percentage use paper ballots? Separating the fact and the fiction on the security of our actual voting systems?
Gary distinguishes electronic counting from paperless voting, explaining that many jurisdictions retain paper ballots for audits and validation. He says concerns about altered voting-machine selections are not widespread, while data repositories and the transfer of tallies may pose greater risks.
The AI election.
Q: Have we seen proliferation of that type of deep fake audio spoofing? Have you seen it in other elections either here or around the world? And what can public officials do to get the message out that this is something that's happening and that people need to be aware of it?
Gary says convincing fake audio and video are increasingly appearing on social media, and it is becoming difficult to distinguish manipulated media from real recordings. He says officials often respond after fakes circulate rather than warning voters in advance.
The wearable wiretap.
Q: What's your practical advice for folks out there who are either just starting this journey or maybe they're a little bit down the pathway, but they still feel like they're a little bit behind?
Manimbo advises organizations not to start from scratch: integrate AI governance with existing security and privacy programs, use a framework such as ISO 42001, and secure leadership buy-in and clear accountability.
The wearable wiretap.
Q: What does good governance really look like? A good governance framework, what does it actually consist of in the real world?
Manimbo recommends defined ownership, policies, inventories of AI systems, management oversight, and impact assessments that examine benefits, harms, misuse, safety, and data quality. Governance should include human oversight and collaboration across business units.
Who’s liable when AI goes rogue?
Q: What are your recommendations for organizations who are in this space? What sort of things should they be doing?
Jones recommends educating staff, assigning people to lead the transition, discovering and prioritizing critical assets, setting aside funding, adopting TLS 1.3 where possible, and working with vendors on cryptographic agility and progress reporting.

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