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The Making (and Unmaking) of Mothers After Midnight

Lucy Wolfe and Ellen Wolfe
Sleep
Motherhood
Sumatra, Indonesia
Limerick, Ireland
Canada
Infant Reflux
Bedtime
Sleep Training
University College Cork
Therapy
Postpartum Depression
Breastfeeding
Sleep Deprivation
Nervous System

This is a podcast that explores honest and real experiences with sleep. The good, the not so good, the idealised, and the actual. Exposing the unseen emotional and embodied labour of care, when women work the night shift. Hosted by child and adolescent sleep consultant Lucy Wolfe, MA Psych RM and PhD researcher, co-hosted by Ellen Wolfe.

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And we're back with another after midnight story! Thank you to Ciara for sharing her story with us this week. Ciara shares with us her experience with prolonged sleep deprivation, and how she managed with it.

The Making (and Unmaking) of Mothers Aft... more

Buckle up! We have switched things around this episode, and Lucy is in the hot seat. We get to hear some background, and have her answer some of her go-to questions before we dive into our Q&A segment. This episode is just brimming with advice, we ca... more

Welcome back to another midnight chapter! Today we are talking to the fantastic Roberta von Meding, who you may know as the editor of Mums and Tots magazine. This is a gorgeous episode full of reflection, and wise perspectives from a mum who has move... more

Welcome back! This week we are joined by Elaine, who shares her gorgeous perspective and experiences with her three children. This is a lovely gentle episode, especially if you are in the trenches at the moment. Things will always get better!

The Ma... more

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Lucy Wolfe
Host; sleep practitioner; MA Psych RM; PhD researcher; authoring host of the show
Ellen Wolfe
Co-host and interviewer; in some episodes described as a student broadcaster

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You're Not A Failure with Ciara
Q: Did you have a go-to phrase you repeated to yourself during hard nights?
Ciara used the idea of affirmations with a core phrase: 'let it go, let it be,' which helped her relax her shoulders and accept that some aspects are beyond control.
You Will Sleep Again with Roberta
Q: What was the hardest part of the night for you, and how did you manage it emotionally?
She describes emotional vulnerability, increased tears, and the mental load of constant vigilance, yet she also highlights moments of mutual support within the family.
You Will Sleep Again with Roberta
Q: What made you feel really alone at night, and how did you handle that loneliness?
Roberta notes that while a support person wasn't always available, having the baby and a village around helped, and she valued moments of connection with other new mothers.
You Will Sleep Again with Roberta
Q: Was there a moment where you were staunchly against something at 3 a.m. but then you gave in to get through the night?
Yes, she mentions rewatching Sex and the City to get through the night, signalling a practical coping strategy rather than a perfect sleep plan.
Q&A; You Can Be Proactive
Q: When does baby sleep through the night?
There is no universal definition; sleep through means different things for different families. The goal is longer, consolidated stretches aligned to the child's personal sleep profile, with emphasis on gradual improvements and proactive changes rather than fixed timelines.

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The show centers on honest, lived experiences of sleep, motherhood, and night-time caregiving. Across recent episodes, hosts explore how physiology, environment, relationships, and culture shape infant and family sleep, blending personal storytelling with practical guidance on bedtimes, routines, and handling night wakings. A distinctive thread is the emphasis on women's embodied labor and emotional labour in night-time parenting, along with a collaborative, relationship-first approach to solving sleep challenges. Expect interviews and personal narratives from mothers and caregivers who share real-world insights, plus community-building perspectives that frame sleep as multifactorial, iterative, and healing rather than perfectly tidy. This ... more

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