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"The Cognitive Revolution" | AI Builders, Researchers, and Live Player Analysis

Erik Torenberg, Nathan Labenz
Artificial Intelligence
AI Safety
Openai
Machine Learning
Reinforcement Learning
AI Ethics
AI Governance
AI Alignment
AI Agents
AI Development
AI Models
China
AI In Biology
Artificial General Intelligence
Biosecurity
Large Language Models
AI Research
Ethics Of AI
Cybersecurity
RAISE Act

A biweekly podcast where hosts Nathan Labenz and Erik Torenberg interview the builders on the edge of AI and explore the dramatic shift it will unlock in the coming years. The Cognitive Revolution is part of the Turpentine podcast network. To learn more: turpentine.co

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Relaunch week of AI in the AM brings together highlights from four live mornings and nine guests, centered on who checks frontier AI, how wide the gap is between lab-internal systems and public access, where capabilities are landing, and who pays for... more

Patrick McKenzie (patio11) hosts Aerolamp CEO Misha Gurevich and Chief Scientist Vivian Belenky, a Columbia University researcher, for a Complex Systems conversation about far-UVC germicidal light at roughly 222 nanometers. Belenky explains why this ... more

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Flo Crivello returns to The Cognitive Revolution to launch Lindy Teammate, an AI employee that lives in Slack, connects to company tools, and accumulates a team’s shared context. He argues that multiplayer AI matters because intelligence without cont... more

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Goodfire co-founder and CTO Dan Balsam returns to discuss where interpretability research now stands and to introduce Silico, the $1,000-per-month research platform Goodfire built for itself. He and Nathan explore Predictive Data Debugging, including... more

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Recent Guests

Flo Crivello
Founder and CEO of Lindy
Lindy
Episode: Lindy Teammate: Flo Crivello on Multiplayer Agents, Memory & Why He'd Ban the Chinese Models He Uses
Adam Gleave
Co-founder and CEO of FAR AI
FAR AI
Episode: Is Offense or Defense Dominant? FAR.AI's Adam Gleave on the AI Security Leaderboard
Davidad Dalrymple
Program Director, Safeguarded AI at ARIA (UK)
ARIA (Safeguarded AI)
Episode: Alignment with Awakening: Davidad on Moral Realism, AI Wisdom, & why His p(Doom) is Down to 5%
Dan Schwarz
CEO of FutureSearch, forecaster and former Metaculous CTO
FutureSearch
Episode: AI:AM Highlights: Exploring the J-Space, AI Superforecasters, SambaNova's Chips, & LTX Video Gen
Zeev Farbman
Co-Founder and CEO of Lightrix, behind Facetune, frontier-scale video and world models
Lightrix
Episode: AI:AM Highlights: Exploring the J-Space, AI Superforecasters, SambaNova's Chips, & LTX Video Gen
Kunle Olukotun
Stanford professor, co-founder of SambaNova
SambaNova
Episode: AI:AM Highlights: Exploring the J-Space, AI Superforecasters, SambaNova's Chips, & LTX Video Gen
Ramin Hasani
CEO and co-founder of Liquid AI
Liquid AI
Episode: Intelligence on the Edge: Liquid AI's Ramin Hasani on the Search for Device-Native Foundation Models
Thomas von Tschammer
Co-Founder and US Managing Director, Neural Concept
Neural Concept
Episode: 1000 Designs a Day: Neural Concept's Thomas von Tschammer on AI-Native Engineering
Cameron Berg
Researcher on artificial consciousness; runs Reciprocal Research
Reciprocal Research / Lab at La Jolla?
Episode: AI:AM #4: Cameron on Model Consciousness, Duvenaud's Gradual Disempowerment, swyx's AI-Eng Alpha

Reviews

4.6 out of 5 stars from 284 ratings
  • Best of the best

    Definitely my favorite AI pod. Fantastic guests, great questions, and a huge range of perspectives.

    And ohmygod, the closing songs! Absolutely delightful/scary/unsettling/freaky/fun. The songs, almost as much as anything discussed, will tell you how far we’ve come - and leave you wondering what’s next.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Jinx Dinkum
    United Statesa month ago
  • Solid podcast: Nathan is an articulate and engaging host, and his guests are interesting and intellectually diverse.

    Podcast Addict
    5
    stafforini
    2 months ago
  • As a specialist of education, I can say that this episode presents no interest for learners, educators or school administrators in any fashion. Anecdotes, figures and graphs. Save precious time and give it a miss.

    Podcast Addict
    1
    alpha
    9 months ago
  • The best AI episode I’ve ever listened. Full stop

    I listen to AI podcasts all of the time and I have never written a review. The most recent episode on how Nathan is using AI to help his son is the best episode on artificial intelligence that I’ve ever listened to. Nathan, first and foremost, your son is in all of our prayers. A distant but important second is that your podcast is an extremely important and nuanced conversation about the benefits and risks of AI.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    SonnetTokenCruncher
    United States9 months ago
  • Annoying

    Possibly the most annoying voice of any I’ve listened to

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    prophack
    United Kingdoma year ago

Listeners Say

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Listeners praise the breadth of perspectives and practical takeaways for AI strategy.
Some critique production and host pacing, but content quality remains strong.
The show attracts high-signal guests and deep, technical conversations.

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#56
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#65
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#70
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#172
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#204
Germany/Technology

Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Babysitting the Machine: Glean's Rebecca Hinds on the Hidden Human Labor of AI at Work
Q: What is bot sitting and why does it matter?
Bot sitting is the ongoing manual labor of feeding context, debugging, and managing AI outputs; it is a major portion of time savings and a key bottleneck that can undermine perceived ROI if not managed with proper context and incentives.
Babysitting the Machine: Glean's Rebecca Hinds on the Hidden Human Labor of AI at Work
Q: How does Glean's Work AI Index 2026 collect its data?
The index blends a large survey of 6,000 knowledge workers across the US, UK, and Australia with aggregated, anonymous telemetry from the Glean platform, allowing triangulation between subjective responses and objective usage patterns.
Babysitting the Machine: Glean's Rebecca Hinds on the Hidden Human Labor of AI at Work
Q: What is your expectation for AI timelines and the nature of future AI work?
Rebecca suggests AI progress will be long and iterative, with significant human-centric change management. The main takeaway is that the human piece—context, culture, and organization design—will determine whether productivity gains translate into real business performance.
Inside Nathan's Second Brain: Daniel Miessler, Security Expert & Creator of PAI, Audits My AI Setup
Q: Could I have an AI service, sort of a booking producer for the podcast, and do that without me having to approve every outbound email?
The guest explains that he uses a tiered approach with high-level goals and some automation, but he still wants human oversight for key decisions and uses structured prompts to govern when and how autonomous actions are taken, while exploring how far automation can safely go.
Nested Learning: Ali Behrouz on the Quest for Continual Learning & Illusion of AI Architectures
Q: What are the main safety and alignment concerns with continual learning, and how might they be mitigated?
Continual learners can drift in alignment as they update over time; mitigating requires careful design of knowledge transfer across levels, human-in-the-loop feedback, and dreaming mechanisms that prune or distill updates to preserve core values and avoid runaway behavior.

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This show consistently covers frontier AI, safety, governance, and the broader impact of rapid capability growth on industry, policy, and society. Episodes feature deep dives with researchers, founders, and policymakers, often examining practical defense-in-depth strategies, international dynamics, and the economics of AI development. A standout aspect is the blend of technical rigor with real-world governance debates, plus a willingness to challenge prevailing industry practices. Listeners can expect thoughtful, multi-faceted conversations with leading thinkers and builders who are shaping how frontier AI is developed and regulated, making it particularly valuable for technologists, executives, and policymakers evaluating risk, opportunity... more

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