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The Business of the Business

The Creative Control Network
WWE
AEW
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Masked Republic
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Welcome to The Business of the Business. This show will take a deep dive into the business of pro wrestling with Lavie Margolin (TrumpMania) and John Poz (Two Man Power Trip). Examining the business world of professional wrestling. Beyond the highest profile WWE stock earnings and reports, exists a fascinating business: the wrestling business. Every week, you'll learn about the less talked about s... more

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For today's episode 300 as part of the Creative Control Network, on The Business of the Business podcast with John Poz and Lavie Margolin, as we welcome back Brett Lauderdale of Game Changer Wrestling to discuss GCW, Avery Styles, Drake Wuertz, Joey ... more

For today's episode as part of the Creative Control Network, on The Business of the Business podcast with John Poz and Lavie Margolin, as we focus on The BIG NEWS of the week! We will run through a lot of the top news stories including CM Punk, NXT, ... more

For today as part of the Creative Control Network, on The Business of the Business podcast co hosts, John Poz and Dr. Lavie Margolin welcome Matt Ryan of Catalyst Wrestling and the Historically Speaking podcast. Poz and Lavie, aslo discuss the NEWS o... more

John Poz and Dr. Lavie Margolin welcome former pro wrestler,announcer, and producer, Dan Miller of the Hot Tag App. Poz and Lavie, aslo discuss the NEWS on AEW, WWE, GCW, MLPW, TNA, MLW, NWA, NJPW, and more.

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Recent Guests

Matt Ryan
Historically Speaking host, promoter-focused researcher
Historically Speaking / Matt Ryan is Yelling
Episode: The Business of the Business Episode 298
Dan Miller
Founder of Hot Tag app, organizer at New Texas Pro
Hot Tag, New Texas Pro
Episode: The Business of the Business Episode 297
Brian Tosh
Co-host of The Sandman Podcast
The Sandman Podcast
Episode: The Business of the Business Episode 297
Justin Ciardullo
Friend of the show, multi-disciplinary wrestling professional
Self/Various projects discussed
Episode: The Business of the Business Episode 296
John from Victory Pro Wrestling
Representative from Victory Pro Wrestling
Victory Pro Wrestling
Episode: 295 - John of Victory Pro Wrestling, plus NEWS on DSOTR, WWE, NXT, AEW, TNA!
Reidar Lydstad
Researcher at Macquarie University and Australian Institute of Health Innovation
Macquarie University; Center for Healthcare Resilience and Implementation Science
Episode: 294 - Reidar Lydstad on pro wrestling deaths, plus news on WWE, NXT, AEW, TNA!
Jim Rugg
Eisner and Ignatz Award-winning cartoonist, illustrator, and educator
Cartoonist, Wolverine Weapon X author
Episode: 291 - Jim Rugg, Eisner & Ignatz Award-winning cartoonist, illustrator, & lifelong pro wrestling fan!
George Barrios
Author of Sometimes Wrong But Never in Doubt, former WWE co-president
WWE (former); ISIS Capital (co-founder)
Episode: 288 - former WWE Co-President & WWE CFO George Barrios
Mike Santana
Professional wrestler, noted in discussion about contract status
TNA/WWE interest mentioned
Episode: 280 - NWA New Home, Mike Santana Contract Status, Triller. RAF, WWE HOF, HOG, AEW, TNA & more!

Hosts

John Poz
Host of The Business of the Business; long-time wrestling business commentator
Lavie Margolin
Co-host and commentator focusing on the wrestling business and promotion strategy

Reviews

4.2 out of 5 stars from 17 ratings
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    Unfortunately having to give one star as a podcast claiming to be about the business side of the industry raised the possibility of Kenny Omega leaving AEW for Impact. The equivalent of suggesting Leonardo Dicaprio may decide to only make movies for The Asylum going forward! Very foolish.

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    Matty666666
    United Kingdom3 years ago

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Positive feedback highlights historical context and strategic takeaways for promotions.
Some feel episodes lean toward promotional content at times.
Listeners appreciate practical industry insights and guest diversity.
A few reviews suggest deeper analytical rigor would improve balance across topics.

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The Business of the Business Episode 297
Q: How do you handle challenges like promotions using the platform responsibly?
Dan Miller emphasizes a well-meaning, supporter mindset for indie wrestling, acknowledges potential issues with user-generated content, and notes ongoing collaboration with resources like Phil Stamper to improve the ecosystem.
The Business of the Business Episode 297
Q: What inspired you to create Hot Tag and how's it going?
Dan Miller explains that Hot Tag was created to address discoverability gaps in indie wrestling, consolidating promotions, wrestlers, and event information, and that it has evolved to include things like QR codes and centralized links, with a growing number of promotions on the map.
295 - John of Victory Pro Wrestling, plus NEWS on DSOTR, WWE, NXT, AEW, TNA!
Q: Where can fans follow VPW and buy tickets?
Fans can visit victoryprowrestling.com for show info and links to social media, with tickets and updates also posted across VPW's Instagram, X, YouTube, and Facebook pages.
288 - former WWE Co-President & WWE CFO George Barrios
Q: How did your early career in finance prepare you for leading WWE's business transformation?
My background in general management, financial oversight, and strategic planning gave me the tools to see the big picture, measure performance, and align operations with a long-term strategy, which helped when WWE pivoted to live content, digital, and direct-to-consumer channels.
280 - NWA New Home, Mike Santana Contract Status, Triller. RAF, WWE HOF, HOG, AEW, TNA & more!
Q: What is your assessment of TNA's attendance trend this year compared to last year?
They observe a decline in overall attendance and capacity utilization in 2026 versus 2025, with theories pointing to momentum shifts, timing, and market saturation affecting live gate.

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The show centers on the business side of professional wrestling, analyzing promotions, distribution, streaming, live events, sponsorships, and media rights. Host duo Lavie Margolin and John Poz steer wide-ranging discussions with guests ranging from historians and promoters to artists, exploring how deals, ownership, and creative strategies shape the industry's landscape. Episodes often blend data-driven industry observations with candid behind-the-scenes perspectives, and sponsor reads are a regular feature, offering practical takeaways for stakeholders in wrestling and related entertainment sectors.

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Recent guests on The Business of the Business include:

1. Matt Ryan
2. Dan Miller
3. Brian Tosh
4. Justin Ciardullo
5. John from Victory Pro Wrestling
6. Reidar Lydstad
7. Jim Rugg
8. George Barrios

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