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The Art of Diplomacy

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The Art of Diplomacy is a bi-weekly podcast that brings global politics down from the podium and into conversation. Hosted by Florence Gaub and Joshua Yaffa, and created by the Munich Security Conference, it opens up the often opaque world of diplomacy to a broader audience. Through in-depth one-on-one interviews, the podcast explores diplomacy as a craft. Each episode features experienced practit... more

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In this episode of The Art of Diplomacy, Josh Yaffa speaks with Wolfgang Schmidt, former Head of the German Chancellery and one of Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s closest advisers during the first years of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Schmidt of... more

In this episode of The Art of Diplomacy, Florence Gaub speaks with former Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin.

Leading a country through a pandemic, an energy crisis, Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, and Finland’s historic accession to NATO, ... more

In this episode, Joshua Yaffa speaks with Prince Zeid bin Ra’ad Zeid al-Hussein, one of the central architects of the modern international human rights system. From helping to establish the International Criminal Court to serving as United Nations Hi... more

In this third episode of The Art of Diplomacy, co-host Florence Gaub travels to Paris to talk to Benjamin Haddad, French Minister Delegate for European Affairs. Haddad is one of the key figures shaping France’s role in Europe at a moment of geopoliti... more

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Recent Guests

Wolfgang Schmidt
Former head of the German Chancellery and chief coordinator of intelligence services
German government / Chancellor's Office
Episode: Boiling the Frog — Germany, Ukraine, and Escalation (with Wolfgang Schmidt)
Sanna Marin
Former Prime Minister of Finland
Finnish Government / Finnish leadership
Episode: Changing Your Mind without Losing Yourself (with Sanna Marin)
Zeid bin Ra'ad bin Zeid al-Hussein
Jordanian diplomat, former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, former President of the Assembly of States Parties to the ICC
International Peace Institute (CEO)
Episode: Diplomacy in the Time of Monsters (with Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein)
Benjamin Haddad
Minister Delegate for European Affairs
France – Ministry for Europe and Foreign Affairs
Episode: Diplomacy is Poker, Not Chess (with Benjamin Haddad)
Ian Bremmer
Founder and head of Eurasia Group; political scientist and commentator
Eurasia Group
Episode: Why Diplomacy Needs a Stage (with Ian Bremmer and Dan Kurtz-Phelan)
Daniel Kurtz-Phelan
Editor-in-Chief of Foreign Affairs
Foreign Affairs
Episode: Why Diplomacy Needs a Stage (with Ian Bremmer and Dan Kurtz-Phelan)
Rafael Grossi
Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency
International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)
Episode: Empathy, Discipline, and Staying Neutral (with Rafael Grossi)

Hosts

Florence Gaub
Host of The Art of Diplomacy
Joshua Yaffa
Co-host of The Art of Diplomacy; staff writer for The New Yorker

Chart Rankings

How this podcast ranks in the Apple Podcasts, Spotify and YouTube charts.

Apple Podcasts
#158
Germany/News/Politics
Apple Podcasts
#215
Ukraine/News/Politics
Apple Podcasts
#246
Argentina/News/Politics

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Boiling the Frog — Germany, Ukraine, and Escalation (with Wolfgang Schmidt)
Q: What was it like engaging with Beijing to deter nuclear escalation, and what was the outcome of Scholz's trip to China?
The trip to Beijing was framed as a diplomatic gambit to press China to persuade Putin not to escalate; it produced a Bali G20 communique and broader international support against nuclear brinkmanship, signaling that the West could mobilize global partners to constrain Russia.
Boiling the Frog — Germany, Ukraine, and Escalation (with Wolfgang Schmidt)
Q: How did Germany balance domestic constraints with supporting Ukraine without provoking Russia too early?
Schmidt explains that Germany's energy dependence on Russia and the constitutional debt brake required careful public messaging and a staged approach to arms deliveries; public opinion shifted dramatically as the war unfolded, enabling a more robust, united response.
Boiling the Frog — Germany, Ukraine, and Escalation (with Wolfgang Schmidt)
Q: Tell us a bit about the Zeitenwende speech—how it came together and who wrote it.
The speech evolved from an outline drafted under tight coalition negotiations, with input from the chancellor's office including the head of chancery and security economists; it reflected an abrupt policy shift rather than a pre-planned, clean break, proceeding to outline a 100 billion euro defense package and a new posture toward Ukraine.
Diplomacy is Poker, Not Chess (with Benjamin Haddad)
Q: What matters more in negotiations, technical preparation or reading the emotions of others?
Both are crucial and reinforce each other; understanding the other side's worldview and maintaining access to information helps in formulating a firm, well-informed position.
Empathy, Discipline, and Staying Neutral (with Rafael Grossi)
Q: What personal skills make a diplomat effective beyond formal negotiations?
Listening, language skills, preparation, and the ability to read a situation and adapt; plus the talent or creativity that cannot be taught but can be honed through study and experience.

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What is The Art of Diplomacy about and what kind of topics does it cover?

The show centers on practical diplomacy through candid conversations with veteran practitioners, emphasizing how decisions are made under pressure, how negotiations unfold, and how international crises are managed. Across episodes, listeners get insights into diplomacy as a craft—from understanding shifting alliances and crisis management to the personal disciplines that sustain leaders and negotiators. Notable strengths include in-depth one-on-one interviews tied to the Munich Security Conference milieu, a blend of policy analysis and frontline diplomacy, and a talent for translating high-stakes geopolitics into actionable takeaways for professionals in government, business, and journalism. The format tends to favor big-picture context alo... more

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