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Lawyers as Healers

Dave Albrechta
Legal System
Legal Profession
Trauma-Informed Lawyering
Abraham Lincoln
Burnout
Ecology
Endangered Ecosystems
Adversarial System
Maria Nemeth
Integrative Law
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Mediation
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Restorative Practices
Tampa, United States
Healing Of Human Conflict
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Civil Litigation System
Facilitative Mediation
Healing Human Conflict

“The obligation of our profession is, or has long been thought to be, to serve as healers of human conflict.”— Warren E. Burger, Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, The State of Justice, Address to the American Bar Association (1971).

What would the legal system look like if lawyers actually lived up to that idea?

Lawyers as Healers explores a quiet (r)evolution happening inside th... more

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In this episode of Lawyers as Healers, I’m joined by Hillary Wandler, a lawyer, law professor, and director of the Veterans Advocacy Clinic at the University of Montana’s Alexander Blewett III School of Law. Hillary teaches legal analysis, legal writ... more

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In this episode of Lawyers as Healers, I’m joined by Jason Ciofalo, also known as Jason Zuk, The Social Psychic.

Jason is both a licensed attorney and an intuitive psychic medium whose work sits at the intersection of logic, intuition, personal tran... more

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In this solo reflection, Dave returns from a 30-day van trip with his family through the American West, the Pacific Northwest, and Vancouver Island. Along the way, time spent among Sequoias, Redwoods, coastal rainforests, clear-cut forests, and recov... more

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What are people really looking for when they call a lawyer?

In this episode, I sit down with my former colleague Jane Lutz, who spent years serving as the first point of contact for clients at our law firm. With a background in human development and... more

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Hillary Wandler
Lawyer and law professor; directs Veterans Advocacy Clinic at Montana's Law School
University of Montana School of Law
Episode: Ep. 13 - It's Not Efficient. It's Important.
Jason Ciofalo
The Social Psychic, attorney and intuitive psychic medium
The Social Psychic; ciofalolaw.com
Episode: Ep. 12 - The Intersection of Intuition and Law
Jane Lutz
Former coworker, first point of contact at the firm, background in human development
Unspecified law firm
Episode: Ep. 10 - What Clients are Really Looking For
Andy Kull
Attorney, mediator, facilitator, and peacemaker
Kull Law / Independent mediator
Episode: Ep. 09 - The Soul-Crushing Cost of Adversarial Thinking
Myrna McCallum
Lawyer, mediator, and educator focusing on trauma-informed practice
Trauma-Informed Law/Trauma Informed Lawyer
Episode: Ep. 07 - Lawyers, Trauma, and the Cost of Disconnection

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Dave Albrechta
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Ep. 13 - It's Not Efficient. It's Important.
Q: What gives you hope for the future of the legal profession?
The newest generation of law students questions traditional paradigms, challenges assumptions about tools like AI, and brings a healthy skepticism that can drive meaningful change. Their openness to non-traditional approaches and their willingness to rethink how we practice law give me real hope for a more humane, effective system.
Ep. 13 - It's Not Efficient. It's Important.
Q: How do CBCT and integrative law intersect with your teaching and practice, and what impact does that have on students?
CBCT expanded my sense of compassion and cognitive training as tools to be a better lawyer. In teaching, I've shown students how to blend rigorous analysis with empathetic client engagement, demonstrating that problem-solving can be collaborative and values-driven, not just technically correct.
Ep. 13 - It's Not Efficient. It's Important.
Q: What unwinds in the old firm culture for you, and how did you realize it wasn't the right fit?
Intense billables, rigid schedules, and a culture that prioritized presence over client-centered outcomes felt misaligned with my values. Moments like being expected to work late at night or interrupt vacations for emergencies highlighted the misfit, pushing me toward a role that emphasizes mentorship, healing, and advocacy.
Ep. 13 - It's Not Efficient. It's Important.
Q: I was most curious to know how people got into their law career and what motivated you to go to law school. Can you share that background and what led you to your current path?
I was drawn to advocacy from a young age, wanting to fight for others. My path wasn't linear; I started in traditional litigation but realized it didn't connect with my core purpose. A faculty opportunity and a focus on veterans' issues steered me toward teaching and clinic work, where I could make a meaningful difference.

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