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After a decade+ of “blitz-scaling” companies, HR, talent, and People leaders now face an uncertain economy that has already seen big booms and busts. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executi... more

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In this episode of HR Heretics, Nolan talks to Immigration attorney Nicole Gunara (Manifest Law) who analyzes the new $100,000 H-1B policy that sparked rapid industry adaptation across Silicon Valley, breaking down how this strategic shift creates di... more

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Returning guest Bryan Power (Head of People, Nextdoor) talk about AI workplace adoption, contrasting executives who avoid AI as time-consuming with his dedicated approach of treating AI as teammates, scheduling one-on-ones with custom GPTs, and trans... more

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For today's essential Heretics 101 feature, Kelli and Nolan talk to Katelin Holloway, Founding Partner of Seven Seven Six. Katelin argues HR professionals possess essential early-stage investing skills, and advocates their transition from support rol... more

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Recent Guests

Katelin Holloway
Founding partner at Seven Seven Six and former VP of People at Reddit
Seven Seven Six
Episode: The Death of Traditional VC: Why Platform Shifts Demand People-First Investors, with Katelin Holloway of Seven Seven Six
Mark Lobosco
Runs Talent Solutions at LinkedIn
LinkedIn
Episode: Inside LinkedIn's First AI Agent, with Mark Lobosco
Dave Margulius
Co-founder and board member at Quizlet
Quizlet
Episode: Dave Margulius: "Starting a Company Without VC Money is Like Starting a Religion"
Sarah Tilley
SVP of Global Talent Management and Acquisition at ServiceNow
ServiceNow
Episode: How ServiceNow Turned Talent Data Into Competitive Intelligence with Sarah Tilley
Melanie Naranjo
Chief People Officer at Ethena
Ethena
Episode: The Real HR Problem: Bitterness, Bad Leadership, and Why Anti-Empathy Actually Works with Ethena CPO Melanie Naranjo
Jeff Diana
Former CPO of Calendly and investor entrepreneur
Episode: The 5 Layers of Business Literacy Every HR Leader Must Master, with Jeff Diana, former CPO of Calendly
Samy Aumar
Recruiting operations person at Qonto
Qonto
Episode: How To Actually Use AI Agents, With Samy Aumar of Qonto
Danielle Mathis
VP Global Talent at Clari
Clari
Episode: Your Next Hire Might Be a Deepfake with Danielle Mathis, VP Global Talent at Clari
Neil Frye
Two-time Chief People Officer and current executive at Dotmatics
Dotmatics
Episode: Executive Search is Broken — Here’s What Executive Candidates Really Need to Know with Neil Frye, Dotmatics (ex-Google & Dropbox CPO)

Hosts

Nolan Church
Co-host with extensive experience in HR leadership and executive roles.
Kelli Dragovich
Co-host known for her insights into people operations and organizational culture.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 101 ratings
  • My Sanity Check

    It can feel really lonely trying to move HR to be strategic and challenge the status quo. Each episode is a breathe of fresh air, spicy, thought provoking and energizing. If you’re in HR, you need to listen to this.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    culturegeek101
    Australiaa year ago
  • Meaty

    The content is such a great deep dive! Really meaty / interesting conversations and insights. No high level fluff! Really loving this podcast.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    CamilleBrittany
    United States2 years ago
  • HR Heretics

    Wow! So interesting and loved hearing the behind the scenes stories from Patty McCord! Great questions and honest answers… How refreshing to hear the truth about HR, Recruiting, secrets from the C Suite…. Do yourself a favor and listen! Then do yourself a favor and watch on YouTube! So enjoyable! I’m all in - waiting the next episode👍

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Sports fan00
    United States2 years ago
  • Great Content and Refreshing Perspectives

    Such a refreshing and REAL take on HR in today’s tech landscape

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Ajdcnslaiendns
    United States2 years ago
  • Great first podcast!!

    Loved listening to this amazing podcast! Very informational and loved Patty’s story! Great job Kelli!!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    haroldlover
    United States2 years ago

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Many find the episodes to resonate with their experiences in HR and leadership, calling them thought-provoking and engaging.
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Applying Design Thinking to People Operations with Iain Roberts, Airbnb
Q: What caused the change in management practices at Airbnb?
Iain discusses the impact of leadership during the pandemic and the restructuring to ensure effective collaboration and innovation.
Applying Design Thinking to People Operations with Iain Roberts, Airbnb
Q: How does one go from a design background into leading people and culture at Airbnb?
Iain explains that he transitioned to focus on designing how organizations work, emphasizing collaboration and systems design.
"I Live Off Intensity": Steve Cadigan on Jeff Weiner's Leadership That Built LinkedIn
Q: What should companies focus on when choosing talent to promote?
Focus on builders who thrive in chaotic environments rather than those who are only experienced in managing large, established businesses.
"I Live Off Intensity": Steve Cadigan on Jeff Weiner's Leadership That Built LinkedIn
Q: What was it like working with Jeff Weiner?
It was intense, and he emphasized the need for intensity in leadership.
The Rise of the Elite Operator with Casey Woo
Q: You have a take on the Rise of the Operator. Can you explain to our audience what that is?
The Rise of the Operator refers to generalists in business who are capable of solving complex problems and building companies at scale.

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The series is centered on the evolving landscape of human resources, focusing on how CPOs, CHROs, founders, and boards navigate the complexities of building high-performing companies in a fluctuating economy. It covers a broad spectrum of topics including organizational design, talent acquisition, performance management, and cultural transformation, often from the perspectives of seasoned industry professionals. Through candid discussions, the hosts seek to challenge conventional HR wisdom and explore innovative strategies that can lead to the creation of resilient organizations. Episodes frequently feature insights on workplace dynamics, strategic leadership, and the importance of adapting HR practices to contemporary business challenges.

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1. Katelin Holloway
2. Mark Lobosco
3. Dave Margulius
4. Sarah Tilley
5. Melanie Naranjo
6. Jeff Diana
7. Samy Aumar
8. Danielle Mathis

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