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After a decade+ of “blitz-scaling” companies, HR, talent, and People leaders now face an uncertain economy that has already seen big booms and busts. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executi... more

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Recent Guests

Nathan Tanner
Executive coach with experience at LinkedIn and DoorDash.
Episode: Inside Executive Coaching with Nathan Tanner
Chris Yeh
Author, venture partner, mentor, academic instructor, co-founder, and board member
Episode: Blitzscaling's Chris Yeh on Infinite Learning, Staying Cool, and Building Strategic Networks
Cynthia Bazlamit Shrauner
Former HR leader at Meta
Meta
Episode: The VP Who Asked to Be Demoted: A Masterclass in Self-Awareness
Lucy Adams
HR leader with extensive experience and founder of Disruptive HR
Disruptive HR
Episode: The HRBP Role Is Broken: Here's How to Fix It
Viet Nguyen
Head of Global Recruiting Operations at Vercel
Vercel
Episode: Get Inside the Mind of your Team’s Best Interviewer, with Vercel’s Viet Nguyen [from 10X Recruiting]
Jason James
Co-founder of Tezi and recruiting expert
Tezi
Episode: "3000 Applicants in Minutes": Recruiting Now with Jason James, Co-founder of Tezi
Siadhal Magos
CEO of Metaview
Metaview
Episode: 'Intelligence on Tap' At Your Org, with Siadhal Magos, Metaview CEO
Sally Thornton
CEO and Founder of Forshay
Forshay
Episode: Fractional Work's Dirty Secret: How to Do a Full-Time Job in 25 Hours - Insights from Sally Thornton, Forshay
Didier Elzinga
CEO of Culture Amp, former software engineer and post-production producer
Culture Amp
Episode: Building Culture-First Companies: Insights from Culture Amp's CEO, Didier Elzinga

Hosts

Nolan Church
Co-host with extensive experience in HR leadership focusing on strategic HR practices and company culture transformations.
Kelli Dragovich
Co-host with a focus on human resources innovations and leadership development, recognized for her work in improving organizational culture.

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4.8 out of 5 stars from 107 ratings
  • My Sanity Check

    It can feel really lonely trying to move HR to be strategic and challenge the status quo. Each episode is a breathe of fresh air, spicy, thought provoking and energizing. If you’re in HR, you need to listen to this.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    culturegeek101
    Australiaa year ago
  • Meaty

    The content is such a great deep dive! Really meaty / interesting conversations and insights. No high level fluff! Really loving this podcast.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    CamilleBrittany
    United States2 years ago
  • HR Heretics

    Wow! So interesting and loved hearing the behind the scenes stories from Patty McCord! Great questions and honest answers… How refreshing to hear the truth about HR, Recruiting, secrets from the C Suite…. Do yourself a favor and listen! Then do yourself a favor and watch on YouTube! So enjoyable! I’m all in - waiting the next episode👍

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Sports fan00
    United States2 years ago
  • Great Content and Refreshing Perspectives

    Such a refreshing and REAL take on HR in today’s tech landscape

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Ajdcnslaiendns
    United States2 years ago
  • Great first podcast!!

    Loved listening to this amazing podcast! Very informational and loved Patty’s story! Great job Kelli!!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    haroldlover
    United States2 years ago

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Q: What are some of the most interesting use cases you want to show?
Brandon highlights AI agents that automate bar-raiser interviews and streamline performance review processes, making hiring and employee evaluation more efficient.
Why Zapier Requires 100% AI Fluency (And How They Measure It)
Q: How do you guys go about measuring AI fluency?
AI fluency is gauged through a four-level rubric, from unacceptable to transformational, indicating the depth of AI understanding and application in work.
Why L&D Fails (And How to Fix It) with Fidelma Butler
Q: Do you engage your leaders to teach?
Yes, we have leaders present on topics and share their experiences to foster learning within the team.
Why L&D Fails (And How to Fix It) with Fidelma Butler
Q: How did you figure out the definition of good leadership?
We collated anecdotes from the organization of people performing well and adjusted leadership definitions based on those insights.
The HRBP Role Is Broken: Here's How to Fix It
Q: Can you lay out the premise for the article about whether the HR business partner role is the toughest role in HR?
Lucy expresses empathy for HR business partners who face conflicting demands and lack necessary supportive skills for their multifaceted role.

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The content focuses on the evolving landscape of human resources, exploring strategies for building high-performance organizations amidst economic uncertainties. Key topics include leadership dynamics, employee loyalty, learning and development, and recruitment strategies, as hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich engage in candid discussions with industry experts. The podcast highlights innovative approaches to traditional HR practices, encouraging listeners to rethink existing norms and embrace disruptive methodologies. It stands out for its unfiltered conversations and practical insights that equip people leaders with the tools needed to navigate complex business environments effectively.

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1. Nathan Tanner
2. Chris Yeh
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