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After a decade+ of “blitz-scaling” companies, HR, talent, and People leaders now face an uncertain economy that has already seen big booms and busts. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executi... more

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Lucy Adams
HR leader with extensive experience and founder of Disruptive HR
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Episode: The HRBP Role Is Broken: Here's How to Fix It
Viet Nguyen
Head of Global Recruiting Operations at Vercel
Vercel
Episode: Get Inside the Mind of your Team’s Best Interviewer, with Vercel’s Viet Nguyen [from 10X Recruiting]
Jason James
Co-founder of Tezi and recruiting expert
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Episode: "3000 Applicants in Minutes": Recruiting Now with Jason James, Co-founder of Tezi
L.J. Brock
Chief People Officer at Coinbase
Coinbase
Episode: Building Elite Teams at Coinbase with L.J. Brock
Nicole Gunara
Principal Immigration Attorney
Manifest Law
Episode: $100K H-1B Fee? Analyzing Trump’s Policy with Nicole Gunara of Manifest Law
Katelin Holloway
Founding partner at Seven Seven Six and former VP of People at Reddit
Seven Seven Six
Episode: The Death of Traditional VC: Why Platform Shifts Demand People-First Investors, with Katelin Holloway of Seven Seven Six
Mark Lobosco
Runs Talent Solutions at LinkedIn
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Episode: Inside LinkedIn's First AI Agent, with Mark Lobosco
Dave Margulius
Co-founder and board member at Quizlet
Quizlet
Episode: Dave Margulius: "Starting a Company Without VC Money is Like Starting a Religion"
Sarah Tilley
SVP of Global Talent Management and Acquisition at ServiceNow
ServiceNow
Episode: How ServiceNow Turned Talent Data Into Competitive Intelligence with Sarah Tilley

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Nolan Church
Co-host with extensive experience in HR leadership and executive roles.
Kelli Dragovich
Co-host known for her insights into people operations and organizational culture.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 104 ratings
  • My Sanity Check

    It can feel really lonely trying to move HR to be strategic and challenge the status quo. Each episode is a breathe of fresh air, spicy, thought provoking and energizing. If you’re in HR, you need to listen to this.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    culturegeek101
    Australiaa year ago
  • Meaty

    The content is such a great deep dive! Really meaty / interesting conversations and insights. No high level fluff! Really loving this podcast.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    CamilleBrittany
    United States2 years ago
  • HR Heretics

    Wow! So interesting and loved hearing the behind the scenes stories from Patty McCord! Great questions and honest answers… How refreshing to hear the truth about HR, Recruiting, secrets from the C Suite…. Do yourself a favor and listen! Then do yourself a favor and watch on YouTube! So enjoyable! I’m all in - waiting the next episode👍

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Sports fan00
    United States2 years ago
  • Great Content and Refreshing Perspectives

    Such a refreshing and REAL take on HR in today’s tech landscape

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Ajdcnslaiendns
    United States2 years ago
  • Great first podcast!!

    Loved listening to this amazing podcast! Very informational and loved Patty’s story! Great job Kelli!!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    haroldlover
    United States2 years ago

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Many find the episodes to resonate with their experiences in HR and leadership, calling them thought-provoking and engaging.
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The HRBP Role Is Broken: Here's How to Fix It
Q: Can you lay out the premise for the article about whether the HR business partner role is the toughest role in HR?
Lucy expresses empathy for HR business partners who face conflicting demands and lack necessary supportive skills for their multifaceted role.
Snowflake CPO Arnnon Geshuri on Their AI Framework for HR
Q: How do you assess your organization and your people team?
I assess each organization, set audacious goals, and ensure a diverse portfolio of skills within the team.
Snowflake CPO Arnnon Geshuri on Their AI Framework for HR
Q: What are some of the things that Elon Musk pushed you to do at Tesla?
He encouraged open communication, creativity within the people team, and the importance of data analytics for insights.
Molly Graham on Founder Depression and Executive Team Dynamics
Q: What do you think about the tenure for early stage executives?
Molly explains that early-stage executive churn is common, noting her belief that the average tenure is around 18 months due to rapid company changes.
Molly Graham on Founder Depression and Executive Team Dynamics
Q: Can you give some insights into our audience as to, like, what drove these articles and what made you write them?
Molly discusses her experiences with the challenges of giving away responsibilities at work, likening it to the emotional insecurity of childhood LEGO sets.

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The series is centered on the evolving landscape of human resources, focusing on how CPOs, CHROs, founders, and boards navigate the complexities of building high-performing companies in a fluctuating economy. It covers a broad spectrum of topics including organizational design, talent acquisition, performance management, and cultural transformation, often from the perspectives of seasoned industry professionals. Through candid discussions, the hosts seek to challenge conventional HR wisdom and explore innovative strategies that can lead to the creation of resilient organizations. Episodes frequently feature insights on workplace dynamics, strategic leadership, and the importance of adapting HR practices to contemporary business challenges.

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1. Lucy Adams
2. Viet Nguyen
3. Jason James
4. L.J. Brock
5. Nicole Gunara
6. Katelin Holloway
7. Mark Lobosco
8. Dave Margulius

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