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Welcome, everyone, to the The GovNavigators Show - a government focused show that won’t make you seasick. We hope to enlighten and enliven your week with news and insightful, entertaining guests all on the topic of government management.Check out more at www.govnavigators.com

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This week on the GovNavigators Show, Robert and Adam sit down with Max Spitzer, former Assistant Parliamentarian in the U.S. House of Representatives, for a behind-the-scenes look at one of the most misunderstood offices in Congress. Max explains how... more

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Adam and Robert sit down with Ryan Hoesing, Chief of Staff for FedRAMP, and Nicole Thompson, Security Director, for a deep dive into one of the most consequential federal IT programs undergoing transformation toda... more

This week on The GovNavigators Show, Robert and Adam are joined by Rob Bocek, Chief Commercial Officer at Virtualitics, for a conversation on how artificial intelligence is reshaping defense readiness.

Drawing on his wide experience from Navy Specia... more

This week on the GovNavigators Show, we're joined by Joel Hinzman, one of the most seasoned voices in government technology and policy, and a member of the GovNavigators Network. Joel has been walking the halls of Congress and the executive branch lo... more

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Recent Guests

Justin Baer
Senior Vice President for Program Evaluation Policy Analysis at Fors Marsh with a PhD in Sociology from the University of Washington
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Episode: Reimagining Evaluation: A New Vision with Justin Baer
David M. Walker
Former Comptroller General of the United States and fiscal responsibility advocate
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Episode: Rethinking Government with David Walker
Norm Dong
Partner at FD Stonewater and former Commissioner of Public Buildings at GSA
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Episode: Navigating Federal Real Estate with Norm Dong
Andy Pavord
CEO of the Federal Consulting Alliance and president of the American Association of Budget and Program Analysis.
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Episode: Unpacking the Budget: A Conversation with Andy Pavord
David Lebryk
Former Fiscal Assistant Secretary at the Department of the Treasury
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Episode: Part 1: David Lebryk's Adventures in the Government
Allison Brigati
Former Deputy Administrator of General Services Administration
General Services Administration
Episode: 100th Episode Special: Government Efficiency with Allison Brigati & Dan Heckman
Dan Heckman
CEO of consulting firm MSI
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Episode: 100th Episode Special: Government Efficiency with Allison Brigati & Dan Heckman
Ed Amorosi
Partner at Haynes and Boone specializing in government contracts
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Episode: Ed Amorosi: “Well-Nigh Irrefragable Proof” and the Legal Battles Ahead
Nikki Clowers
Managing director of the Office of Congressional Relations at GAO
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Episode: Diving into the GAO High-Risk List with GAO's Nikki Clowers

Hosts

Robert Shea
Co-host of The GovNavigators Show, frequently appearing alongside a co-host, with a focus on government management and public-sector reform.
Adam Hughes
Co-host of The GovNavigators Show, frequently guiding discussions on budgeting, procurement, and policy implementation.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 20 ratings
  • The gamut of government engagement

    These guys are awesome! If you’re looking for a show about government, this one is it! They do a great job of keeping it interesting!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    raven1307
    United States2 years ago
  • Was really bummed when the old FedHeads show stopped, but somehow this one is better. Robert and Adam have great senses of humor and do a wonderful job making arcane topics engaging and fun!

    Audible
    5
    James Smith
    United States2 years ago
  • Best show about federal government topics!

    Was really bummed when the old FedHeads show stopped, but somehow this one is better. Robert and Adam have great senses of humor and do a wonderful job making arcane topics engaging and fun!

    Audible
    5
    James Smith
    United States2 years ago

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Engaging deep dives into government operations.
Strong emphasis on accountability and efficiency in government.
Sits at the intersection of policy expertise and real-world application.
Thoughtful coverage of budgeting and management challenges.
Great guests with practical insights for public sector work.

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Talking Points

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Rethinking Government with David Walker
Q: What do you think about the Simpson-Bowles Commission?
It was not set up for success and lacked the necessary citizen engagement and statutory backing.
Rethinking Government with David Walker
Q: Can you explain why it's important that you can't just get everything that you want?
You can't have all the tax cuts and all the spending increases without consequences for debt.
Navigating Federal Real Estate with Norm Dong
Q: What are some of the complexities that get in the way of successful consolidation projects such as the DHS headquarters?
Funding is a major barrier, along with the significant costs associated with these projects, leading to challenges in justifying the expenditure against potential savings.
Navigating Federal Real Estate with Norm Dong
Q: What are your overall impressions of the beginning of the Trump administration regarding federal real estate?
The Trump administration seems to be taking an aggressive approach to implement changes in government operations, focusing on managing the federal real estate portfolio more effectively.
Reimagining Evaluation: A New Vision with Justin Baer
Q: So Justin, you talk about in your article, you start off by just saying that federal evidence is building is at a crossroads. So, talk us through a little bit some of the things that you write about and the ideas that you've been developing that are different than the previous model and the work that's been done in evidence building to date.
Baer discusses the need for evidence building to be faster, less burdensome, and tied directly to improving federal government services, highlighting that many current evaluations are inefficient and disconnected from policy outcomes.

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This show centers on government management, policy, and public sector reform, often featuring senior officials, GAO veterans, and procurement and budgeting experts. Episodes highlight challenges in federal programs, budgeting, real estate, and efficiency initiatives, with guests who bring hands-on experience in reform, accountability, and evidence-based policymaking. Noteworthy is the consistent emphasis on practical improvements—such as data sharing, modernization, and accountability—delivered through accessible conversations with practitioners and thought leaders. This mix makes it valuable for listeners evaluating federal operations, public sector strategy, or opportunities to align messaging with government priorities.

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