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The Elements of Deep Sea Mining

Eric Young
Deep Sea Mining
International Seabed Authority
The Metals Company
Norway
Critical Minerals
United States
Law Of the Sea
Polymetallic Nodules
Environmental Impact
China
UNCLOS
Nickel
Deep Sea Bed Mining
BB&J
Complex Trade-Offs
Degrowth
Geophysics
Data Processing
India
Sedimentation

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Coalter Lathrop returns ten months after Episode 21, and the DSHMRA application story has grown significantly messier. Five applications are now public on NOAA’s site — four companies, two of which are subsidiaries of American Metal Incorporated, an ... more

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In this episode, Thomas Kuhn (Marine Geologist and Project Manager, Federal Institute for Geosciences and Natural Resources – BGR, Germany) breaks down how ferromanganese crusts form on the ocean floor, and why the scientific community has been looki... more

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In this episode, Dr. Rozemarijn Roland Holst, Lecturer in International Environmental Law at the University of Edinburgh, traces the full arc of the Common Heritage of Mankind principle: how it emerged from Arvid Pardo’s 1967 UN speech, what differen... more

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DSHMRA has been sitting on the shelf for forty years and most people in the deep sea mining space still haven't read it. Brandon Tuck has; and his read is that the framework is significantly more protective than the international discourse gives it c... more

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In this episode, I’m joined by Kara Fox, an award-winning investigative reporter at CNN International, and Elizabeth Alberts, senior staff writer at Mongabay’s Ocean Desk and Pulitzer Center fellow, who together co-published a major investigation:

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In this episode, Anette Brock-Mathisen-Tvedt, CEO of Adept Minerals, discusses Norway’s decision to pause deep-sea mining licensing and the political debate surrounding seabed mineral development. She shares how her company approaches exploration, te... more

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Recorded at the Seabed Minerals Conference in Bergen, Norway, this episode features Dr. Kerstin Kröger, a deep-sea ecologist and Marine Management Adviser who, over the course of a 1.5-year sabbatical, dove deep into the legal frameworks governing th... more

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Steven Emerman, owner of Malach Consulting and a former Princeton and Cornell-trained geophysicist, brings an unusual perspective to deep sea mining. He came to it from decades of evaluating mining disclosures across the terrestrial mining industry. ... more

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Kara Fox
CNN reporter and investigative journalist focusing on geopolitics and security
CNN
Episode: #42 What are China's Deep Sea Research Vessels Actually Doing? Kara Fox and Elizabeth Alberts' Marine Traffic Investigation
Elizabeth Alberts
Senior staff writer at Mongabay's Ocean Desk, focusing on deep sea mining
Mongabay
Episode: #42 What are China's Deep Sea Research Vessels Actually Doing? Kara Fox and Elizabeth Alberts' Marine Traffic Investigation
Anette Brock-Mathisen-Tvedt
CEO of Adept Minerals, co-founder, leader in deep-sea mineral exploration
Adept Minerals
Episode: #41: Norway Hits Pause and Research Keeps Moving: Anette Tvedt on Processing, Politics, Problem Solving and Potential Futures
Kerstin Kröger
Deep sea ecologist focusing on environmental impacts and now legal/policy implications of deep sea mining
Episode: #40 From the Lab to the Legal Text with Kerstin Kröger
Steven Emmerman
Independent environmental consulting expert
Malach Consulting
Episode: #39 When the Numbers Don't Add Up: Steven Emerman's Independent Assessment of the Metals Company Pre-Feasibility Study
Kaja Lønn Fjærtoft
Chief Global Policy Lead for WWF Deep Sea Mining
WWF
Episode: #38: Kaja Lønn Fjærtoft, WWF and The Policy Battle Over Deep Sea Mining
Pierre Josso
Deputy Director of the Critical Minerals Intelligence Centre at the British Geological Survey
British Geological Survey
Episode: #36: Critical Minerals Explained: It’s Not Just About Scarcity - Pierre Josso (Part 1)
Paul Hirsch
Professor of Environmental Studies at SUNY-ESF, expert on environmental decision-making and trade-offs
SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry
Episode: #35: Complex Trade-Offs and Environmental Decision-Making: Paul Hirsch on Values, Governance, and Power
Ed Nedelciu
Host/Guest in discussion on deep sea mining and growth paradigms
Episode: #34: Ed Nedelciu and the Growth Paradigm in Deep Sea Mining

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Eric Young
Host of The Elements of Deep Sea Mining (multi-episode contributor)

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Q: What is your take on the deep sea mining question? Are you a neutral scientist or do you have an opinion?
She emphasizes that absolute neutrality is not realistic and that scientists should be transparent about their positions and how they conduct their work, while still focusing on producing high-quality research that informs policy.
#23: Part 2 with Jessie van der Grient on Environment and Impacts
Q: How do you think about balancing benefits and drawbacks when they are not in comparable categories?
Understanding potential trade-offs, identifying who carries risks and who pays, and building governance structures that can account for multiple objectives is essential, even if a universally straightforward solution remains elusive.
#26: The Ethics of Deep Sea Mining - Espen Stabell
Q: What does existence value mean in the context of deep-sea ecosystems?
Existence value captures the value of something simply by existing, even if it has no direct use, and serves as a stepping stone to understand non-anthropocentric valuations within environmental ethics.
#26: The Ethics of Deep Sea Mining - Espen Stabell
Q: Why should we have ethicists at the table when talking about Deep Sea Mining?
The discussion argues that ethics frames the normative questions guiding policy, clarifying concepts like intrinsic value and welfare, and helping bridge empirical data with principled decision-making in situations of uncertainty and value pluralism.
#26: The Ethics of Deep Sea Mining - Espen Stabell
Q: Where do you come from and how did you get interested in moral philosophy?
Espen describes growing up in Oslo with a long-standing interest in environmental questions, shifting from continental to analytic philosophy, and eventually pursuing a PhD that connected deep sea mining with ethical theory and decision-making under uncertainty.

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