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The Elements of Deep Sea Mining

Eric Young
Deep Sea Mining
International Seabed Authority
The Metals Company
Critical Minerals
Norway
China
UNCLOS
United States
Law Of the Sea
Polymetallic Nodules
Environmental Impact
Ferromanganese Crusts
UN Convention On the Law Of the Sea
Common Heritage Of Humankind
Nickel
Deep Sea Bed Mining
BB&J
Degrowth
Complex Trade-Offs
Geophysics

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Most conversations about China’s grip on critical minerals stop at the “how” — the export controls, the smelting capacity, the twenty-plus restrictions since 2020. Tomasz Nadrowski, author of Mineral War and portfolio manager at Amvest Terraden, spen... more

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Coalter Lathrop returns ten months after Episode 21, and the DSHMRA application story has grown significantly messier. Five applications are now public on NOAA’s site — four companies, two of which are subsidiaries of American Metal Incorporated, an ... more

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In this episode, Ellen walks us through the method behind a remarkable 2025 report: a structured, voluntary exercise that translated dozens of competing societal concerns into 80 concrete, actionable research questions about the environmental impacts... more

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In this episode, Thomas Kuhn (Marine Geologist and Project Manager, Federal Institute for Geosciences and Natural Resources – BGR, Germany) breaks down how ferromanganese crusts form on the ocean floor, and why the scientific community has been looki... more

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Tomasz Nadrowski
Portfolio manager at Amvest Terraden Critical Minerals Fund; author of Mineral War
Amvest Terraden Critical Minerals Fund
Episode: #48 Mineral War author Tomasz Nadrowski on the reasons behind China's mineral dominance
Coalter Lathrop
International legal scholar
Independent
Episode: #46: Conflicting Regimes with Coalter Lathrop
Ellen Pape
Researcher and professor at Ghent University, deep-sea benthic ecology
Ghent University, Belgium
Episode: #47: Turning societal concerns to empirical research questions with Ellen Pape
Thomas Kuhn
Geologist, German Federal Institute for Geosciences and Natural Resources (BGR)
BGR
Episode: #45 Seamount Crusts with Thomas Kuhn
Rozemarijn Roland Holst
Lecturer in International Environmental Law
University of Edinburgh
Episode: #44 The Common Heritage: Rozemarijn Roland Holst Explains Evolution of an Idealistic Principle
Brandon Tuck
Partner at Vinson & Elkins specializing in environmental and natural resource law
Vinson & Elkins
Episode: #43 What DSHMRA Actually Requires Before Anyone Mines the Seabed; Brandon Tuck Explains US Deep Sea Mining Rules
Kara Fox
CNN reporter and investigative journalist focusing on geopolitics and security
CNN
Episode: #42 What are China's Deep Sea Research Vessels Actually Doing? Kara Fox and Elizabeth Alberts' Marine Traffic Investigation
Elizabeth Alberts
Senior staff writer at Mongabay's Ocean Desk, focusing on deep sea mining
Mongabay
Episode: #42 What are China's Deep Sea Research Vessels Actually Doing? Kara Fox and Elizabeth Alberts' Marine Traffic Investigation
Anette Brock-Mathisen-Tvedt
CEO of Adept Minerals, co-founder, leader in deep-sea mineral exploration
Adept Minerals
Episode: #41: Norway Hits Pause and Research Keeps Moving: Anette Tvedt on Processing, Politics, Problem Solving and Potential Futures

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Eric Young
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#48 Mineral War author Tomasz Nadrowski on the reasons behind China's mineral dominance
Q: Can you put a specific point on what the problem is with monopoly in critical minerals?
Monopoly in commodities is not just about price; it's about weaponization of that monopoly through strategic controls, export restrictions, and the ability to keep prices low in upstream segments while extracting value downstream, which disincentivizes investment in Western mining and processing capacity.
#45 Seamount Crusts with Thomas Kuhn
Q: Could you explain, in a primer, how ferromagnetic crusts form on seamounts?
They form as iron and manganese oxides precipitate from oxygen-rich deep-sea water that upwells along seamount flanks, where surface chemistry concentrates trace metals. The crusts grow very slowly, with growth rates of millimeters per million years, and their composition is dominated by manganese and iron oxides which attract and trap other elements through adsorption and desorption processes.
#44 The Common Heritage: Rozemarijn Roland Holst Explains Evolution of an Idealistic Principle
Q: what are the alternatives to Common Heritage before seabed was designated as such?
Before designation, resources were governed either by territorial sovereignty or by the freedoms regime of the high seas; Common Heritage offered a centralized, benefit-sharing framework that moved away from pure open access, aiming to balance access with equity and collective management.
Aiste Klimasauskaite on How Science Informs Policy
Q: What is your take on the deep sea mining question? Are you a neutral scientist or do you have an opinion?
She emphasizes that absolute neutrality is not realistic and that scientists should be transparent about their positions and how they conduct their work, while still focusing on producing high-quality research that informs policy.
#23: Part 2 with Jessie van der Grient on Environment and Impacts
Q: How do you think about balancing benefits and drawbacks when they are not in comparable categories?
Understanding potential trade-offs, identifying who carries risks and who pays, and building governance structures that can account for multiple objectives is essential, even if a universally straightforward solution remains elusive.

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