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Pollinators
Climate Change
Targeted Grazing
Virtual Fencing
Wildfire
Post-Fire Recovery
Snow Hydrology
Great Basin
Rangeland Restoration
Wildfire In Great Basin
Herbicides (imazapic, Endazoflam/rejuvra)
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Southwest United States
Rangeland Management
Colorado
Dust On Snow
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Buffel Grass
Grazing Contractors

This podcast is a collaborative product of the Southwest Climate Adaptation Science Center and New Mexico State University. We highlight stories to share the most recent advances in climate science, weather and climate adaptation, and innovative practices to support resilient landscapes and communities. We believe that sharing forward-thinking and creative climate science and adaptation solutions ... more

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If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? In this episode of Come Rain or Shine, we interviewed Zander Evans and Cody Dems, respectively the executive director and Southwest program manager, of the Forest Stew... more

Water is one of the most important resources in the Southwest. What can we learn from a climate adaptation professional who has spent decades in this line of work? In this episode of Come Rain or Shine, we interviewed Kathy Jacobs, Professor Emeritus... more

Rock glaciers, ice worms and wolverines, oh my! In this episode of Come Rain or Shine, we interviewed Dr. Scott Hotaling, an Assistant Professor in the Department of Watershed Sciences and the Extension Climate Resiliency Specialist at Utah State Uni... more

What are "May Gray" and "June Gloom"? How does the southwestern U.S. monsoon season impact low-level clouds on the California coastline? In this episode, we talked with Dr. Rachel Clemesha, a Project Scientist at Scripps Institution of Oceanography a... more

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Recent Guests

Roy Petrakis
Geographer with the USGS
U.S. Geological Survey, Western Geographic Science Center
Episode: Riparian Restoration with the San Carlos Apache Tribe
Camille Stevens-Rumann
Interim Director of the Colorado Forest Restoration Institute; Associate Professor focused on post-disturbance forest recovery
Colorado State University / Colorado Forest Restoration Institute
Episode: Wildfire and Post-Fire Recovery
McKenzie Skiles
Director of the Snow Hydrology Research-to-Operations Lab, Associate Professor
University of Utah
Episode: Why Snow Matters
Flavie Audoin
Assistant Professor, University of Arizona; Assistant Rangeland Management Specialist, University of Arizona Cooperative Extension
University of Arizona
Episode: Targeted Grazing and Virtual Fencing
Dr. Sarah Whipple
Biologist with the USGS National Climate Adaptation Science Center
USGS National Climate Adaptation Science Center
Episode: Tiny But Mighty: The Critical Role of Pollinators
Max Wade
Owner of Galloping Goats
Galloping Goats Grazing
Episode: Galloping Goats and Grazing Management
Michael Scialdone
Environment Department, Pueblo of Sandia
Pueblo of Sandia Environment Department
Episode: Galloping Goats and Grazing Management
Charlie Clements
Director, Great Basin Rangeland Research Unit, USDA Agricultural Research Service
USDA ARS, Great Basin Rangeland Research Unit
Episode: Rangeland Restoration in the Great Basin

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Emily Elias
Co-host of the podcast with multiple affiliations including USGS Southwest CASC and academic partnerships.
Sarah LaRoy
Co-host of the podcast, frequently introduced with collaborative roles across multiple institutions.

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4.7 out of 5 stars from 7 ratings
  • Great, but…I have a beef

    I really love this show and usually find it fantastic and informative. I love the energy of the hosts and feel like they each bring strengths to the show and interviews. I’d give this a solid five stars except for one major concern — I can’t help but cringe every time they go on and on about “sustainable” beef practices in the Southwest. That’s like talking about “clean coal.” It just doesn’t make sense from an environmental perspective. There’s just no way to make cows in the desert sustainab... more

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    United States4 years ago
  • Fun and informative!

    I’m already learning a lot from this podcast. Keep

    up the good work!

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    rrjaunty
    United States6 years ago

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Galloping Goats and Grazing Management
Q: What have you learned about the goats' grazing preferences and how do you measure success in this project?
Goats have a broad but selective palate; they prefer certain invasives like Siberian elm, Russian olive, and salt cedar, with some seasons more favorable for specific plants. Success is tracked through year-to-year observations of invasive reduction, native plant resurgence, and overall fuels management, aided by fencing strategies and eventual soil amendments.
Galloping Goats and Grazing Management
Q: How did the Sandia Environment Department learn about Galloping Goats Grazing and decide to try it?
The initiative started during COVID when Max Wade pivoted his pumpkin patch into goat-powered weed control; a forester from New Mexico State Forestry connected him with Scialdone, and the Sandia Pueblo embraced the idea quickly due to its alignment with weed control and fuels reduction.
Targeted Grazing and Virtual Fencing
Q: Can you explain to our listeners what Cooperative Extension Specialists do and how that differs from a typical academic role?
Cooperative Extension Specialists bridge the university with on-the-ground communities, translating research into practical tools and communicating land-management questions back to the university to guide research and extension work.
Wildfire and Post-Fire Recovery
Q: What is the most exciting part of your work?
The guest finds outdoor field work and interacting with managers and students most rewarding, describing how walking through a treatment unit and viewing landscapes through a manager's perspective is particularly fulfilling, while recognizing challenges and emotional aspects of long-term landscape change.
Tiny But Mighty: The Critical Role of Pollinators
Q: How can park managers use your findings to protect pollinators?
Managers can prioritize invasive plant removal and habitat restoration in high-richness or rare-species areas, adjust grazing and fire regimes to avoid peak flowering, and integrate park data with virtual datasets to monitor longer-term shifts.

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Frequently Asked Questions About Come Rain or Shine

What is Come Rain or Shine about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show highlights climate science, adaptation, and practical landscape-management practices in the Southwest, with a steady focus on riparian restoration, wildfire dynamics, snow hydrology, grazing as a land-management tool, and pollinators. Episodes frequently feature USGS researchers, university partners, and tribal or land-management collaborators, translating complex science into decision-ready insights for managers, policymakers, and practitioners. A notable strength is embedded, co-produced science with tribal and agency partners, which yields field-tested strategies and real-world applicability while maintaining a clear focus on resilience in a hot, dry region.

Listeners can expect rigorous, research-informed discussions paired w... more

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