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Office Matters: The BCO Podcast

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Real Estate
Sustainability
Insolvency
Inclusivity In Real Estate
Workplace Design
London
Built Environment
Construction Industry
Birmingham
Supply Chain Management
Mentoring
Real Estate Industry
Government Property Agency
Muslims In Real Estate
Financial Distress
Contract Negotiation
London, United Kingdom
BCO Conference 2026
Regenerative Design
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Office Matters is podcast brought to you by BCO in which we delve into everything workspace and work places, from the people that make it happen, the places that it helps create, the planet that we need to protect as we redesign, retrofit and deliver fresh workspaces and the policies and practices that are impacting the sector today and tomorrow.

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In this episode of the BCO's Office Matters Podcast, BCO chief executive Samantha McClary sits down with Alla Elmahadi and Peter Joaki, two finalists in the BCO NextGen Ideas Competition, to discuss their journeys, inspirations and ambitions ahead of... more

In the second of our trilogy of special BCO Office Matterspodcasts, host Samantha McClary continues her journey behind the scenes of the BCO Next Gen Ideas Competition, introducing listeners to finalists Stephin Abraham of Gensler and Ewan Howell of ... more

In this episode of the Office Matters podcast, BCO chiefexecutive Samantha McClary speaks with BCO NextGen Ideas Competition finalists Ben Mead of Cundall and Leelou Coppleman of OD Group ahead of the competition’s grand finale on 22 October.

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The commercial real estate industry spends a huge amount of time asking what occupiers want. But according to architect and strategist Fakhry Akkad, we're still missing the point.

In this fascinating episode of Office Matters, Akkad, founder of arch... more

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Leelou Coppleman
Commercial Manager for OD Group
OD Group
Episode: Office Matters: Big ideas, bold voices - Inside the BCO NextGen Ideas Competition
Ben Mead
Sustainability and Building Performance Engineer
Cundall
Episode: Office Matters: Big ideas, bold voices - Inside the BCO NextGen Ideas Competition
Fakhry Akkad
architect, strategist, manufacturing taste founder
Manufacturing Taste
Episode: Office Matters: Why real estate needs to act like a consumer brand
Suzan Ucmaklioglu
Architect and inclusive design specialist
Foster + Partners
Episode: Office Matters: Agency, not Independence - a new language for inclusive design
Lauren Lemcke
Multi award-winning BCO member, speaker on sustainability in workplace design
Aecom
Episode: Office Matters: How one bright idea can change the way we measure workplace sustainability
Patrick Scanlon
Senior Director Analytics at CoStar
CoStar
Episode: Office Matters: AI isn’t killing the office, it’s powering the next wave of demand
Tobi Crosbie
Group CEO of Making Moves, occupier-focused advisory
Making Moves
Episode: Workspace Unwired: From space to service
Nicola Gillen
Chair of the National Judges of the BCO Awards
Cushman & Wakefield
Episode: Workspace Unwired: Inside the BCO judging process
Clare Fielding
Reluctant activist and board member at Freehold, a LGBTQ+ focused property network
Freehold
Episode: Workspace Unwired: Designing dignity

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Sam McClary
Host of Workspace Unwired and principal host with leadership roles at BCO; frequently guides conversations on workspace strategy, sustainability, and occupier-focused design.
Samantha McClary
Co-occurring host with focus on workspace design and inclusive practice; referenced across multiple episodes as a host with deep involvement in workplace strategy.

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Office Matters: Agency, not Independence - a new language for inclusive design
Q: If there's one thing we should take apart in the built environment as it relates to value, what would your one thing be?
Suzan argues for redefining value beyond what's easy to measure, emphasizing softer outcomes like how people feel, engage, and experience spaces, and calls for language that reflects agency rather than mere independence.
Office Matters: Agency, not Independence - a new language for inclusive design
Q: Tell us about the Spaces for Inclusion project that you've been pioneering at Hostos.
She describes her work partnering with groups like Disordinary Architecture and Sociability to surface user voices, revisit existing buildings, and identify key areas such as entrances, toilets, and the urban room where inclusive design can unlock opportunities and address lived experiences.
Office Matters: Agency, not Independence - a new language for inclusive design
Q: So can you talk to us a little bit about with, not for, and what that really means?
Suzan explains that with, not for means engaging with the people who will use spaces, recognizing that a small percentage of the population works in design and architecture and that true inclusion requires dialogue with users to avoid designing in our own image.
Office Matters: AI isn’t killing the office, it’s powering the next wave of demand
Q: Is the AI boom a bubble or a lasting shift?
It's a lasting shift driven by global tech giants and unicorns; the pace may slow, but the demand for space linked to AI ecosystems is here to stay and will shape submarkets for years.
Office Matters: AI isn’t killing the office, it’s powering the next wave of demand
Q: What trends are you seeing in AI take-up and its impact on London office space?
AI take-up has accelerated, led by large players, with longer leases forming as AI firms seek durable space that reflects their brand; London remains a core hub with a broader UK trend across Cambridge, Bristol, and Manchester.

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The discussion across recent episodes centers on how workplaces are evolving through inclusive design, sustainability, occupier-focused strategies, and the evolving role of offices in communities. Conversations blend practical design guidance with market data, policy shifts, and real-world case studies—from regenerative design and carbon accounting to reuse, urban farming in offices, and the impact of AI on demand for space. A notable throughline is the emphasis on human-centered spaces—where wellbeing, accessibility, and social value drive outcomes for designers, developers, and occupiers—while also scrutinizing risk, finance, and governance within the sector. The format frequently features practitioners, firm leaders, and industry advocat... more

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