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Break the Business

Break the Business Podcast
Taylor Swift
Spotify
Copyright Law
Music Industry
Indie Creators
Artificial Intelligence
Live Nation
AI In Music
Tiktok
Chappell Roan
All Good Music Festival
Youtube
Corporate Transparency Act
Indie Music
Generative AI In Music
Accessibility In Music
Real Estate
Mariah Carey
ZZ Ward
Jam Bands

A show for indie creators and the people who love and support them. Break the Business Podcast is a fun and informative discussion of entertainment law (for non-lawyers), independent artists, and popular culture. Break the Business is recorded live on Thursdays at 9pm Eastern at twitch.tv/breakthebusiness. Catch the show on Mondays at 6pm on SiriusXM Channel 145 SLAM Radio and on all major podcast... more

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TOPICS: Ryan and Producer Lauren talk about the latest in the Live Nation antitrust lawsuit and what creators can do to speak out about the pending DOJ settlement; we answer a listener question about transitioning from being a full-time to part-time ... more

TOPICS: Ryan is confused about the “One Night Only” romantic comedy coming out soon; Ryan and Katie Z talk about the upcoming “I Am Rocky” biopic and how the story of the “Rocky” movie's production offers great lessons for indie artists. Our guest th... more

TOPICS: Ryan and Gideon King have a belated celebration of the Knicks' NBA title; the

UMAW launches the “Raise the Bar” campaign to get venues to pledge to adopt artist-

favorable terms in their venue contracts; we answer a listener question about ... more

TOPICS: By demanding that artists have established careers before signing them, are labels making themselves obsolete? Ryan answers a listener question about copyright registration; our guest this week is singer-songwriter Ammar Farooki. Ammar’s new ... more

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Nadim Rahman
Co-founder and CEO of Songproof
Songproof
Episode: BTB Ep 523: UMAW’s “Raise the Bar” pledge; Nadim Rahman of SongProof
Ammar Farooki
Singer-songwriter based in Brooklyn; Fulbright scholar
Self-directed musical project (12)
Episode: BTB Ep 522: Are record labels making themselves obsolete; singer - songwriter Ammar Farooki
Diane DiSobbo
Collaborator and wife of Ammar Farooki
Collaborator on the 12 project
Episode: BTB Ep 522: Are record labels making themselves obsolete; singer - songwriter Ammar Farooki
John Lister
Head of Content and Community at Rap Fame
Rap Fame
Episode: BTB Ep 521: Remembering Clive Davis; John Lister of Rap Fame
Nick Cain
Washington-based country rock singer-songwriter with a background in real estate, restaurants, and other businesses
Nick Cain Music / Independent Artist
Episode: BTB Ep 520: Are we making changes to the Copyright Office; singer - songwriter Nick Cain
Russ Rieger
New York–based music executive, artist manager, podcaster, entrepreneur
Not Dead Yet Media
Episode: BTB Ep 519: An “Obsession” with indie filmmakers; music executive Russ Rieger
Martin Luther McCoy
Musician, actor and producer, studied Bay Area Neo Soul; has toured with the Roots and acted in Across the Universe
Rebel Soul Music (label)
Episode: BTB Ep 518: YouTube is trying to win Emmys; musician and actor Martin Luther McCoy
Kelly Breaks
President of Blue Frog Immersive
Blue Frog Immersive
Episode: BTB Ep 517: Rising fuel costs are making tours more expensive; Kelly and Paul from Blue Frog Immersive
Paul Mezier
COO of Acute Immersive
Acute Immersive
Episode: BTB Ep 517: Rising fuel costs are making tours more expensive; Kelly and Paul from Blue Frog Immersive

Hosts

Ryan Carella
Host with multiple stints across episodes; central voice guiding industry analysis and guest interviews.
Elisa Rockdakis
Co-host and guest expert on music and gaming topics; brings industry and tech perspectives.
Katie Zuccardi
Co-host and producer with a focus on content production and artist promotion.
Lauren
Producer; handles show production and guest coordination.
Ryan Corella
Host; long-running contributor across episodes with focus on industry trends.

Reviews

4.6 out of 5 stars from 27 ratings
  • Great way to learn about the music biz!

    Sdyney and Sam and team work hard to ask the questions that need to be asked and answered as far as doing business in the music business. A great resource for anyone in the business or looking to get into it. Highly recommend!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    aspenbeat handpicked music
    United States5 years ago
  • Awesome podcast

    Ryan the host puts together such an amazing show of facts, helpful tips and seriuos guests that can empower you to become a very informed independant artist, great work Ryan - Love the episode with Sync licesning expert Michael Elsner , so good, Thank you. Ric Chandler (Member of Electro Pop/Rock duo 'Lung'/composer/Musical Director/Drummer)

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ric chandler
    United Kingdom5 years ago
  • Please turn up the volume on your Podcasts

    Can you please turn up the volume when mixing your podcast is very low I have to turn the volume up on my device

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    ZenasdHopson
    United States6 years ago
  • Informative and entertaining

    Great show Ryan. Liked episode 186 there. Rich Dad Poor Dad is a great book and reading through it a second time now. I’m not a musician myself but have dabbled in some minor league management and business startup for a few musician friends in the past. Looking to get back into it and I find your podcast very informative and motivating. Keep it up.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Trudo (red-boy) Bently
    United States7 years ago
  • Clever, Funny, Useful

    Ryan is incredibly knowledgeable about a subject no one in the music industry wants you to know about. A great resource for aspiring musicians everywhere.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Kolorkhaki
    United States9 years ago

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BTB Ep 523: UMAW’s “Raise the Bar” pledge; Nadim Rahman of SongProof
Q: What does it mean when somebody asks for publishing in the modern music industry?
Publishing typically means a co-writing credit and a share of royalties; producers can negotiate for publishing rights if they've contributed substantially to the music and lyrics.
BTB Ep 521: Remembering Clive Davis; John Lister of Rap Fame
Q: What is Rap Fame's position on AI in underground hip hop and why do you think the numbers show a much lower adoption rate there?
John Lister explains that authenticity and community are core in underground hip hop, making artists wary of AI-generated or AI-heavy tracks. Audiences can tell when a track is AI, and the culture prioritizes genuine human creation, which is why usage remains low compared with other genres.
BTB Ep 519: An “Obsession” with indie filmmakers; music executive Russ Rieger
Q: What role do platforms like Spotify and community features play in supporting indie artists?
Platforms should add value beyond core streaming, such as backstage content, paid subscriptions for extra material, and fan forums/listening rooms to deepen engagement and help artists build sustainable careers.
BTB Ep 519: An “Obsession” with indie filmmakers; music executive Russ Rieger
Q: How does Russ view discovering indie artists before they have numbers?
Discovery is about catching the magic and relying on personal taste and instinct, recognizing moments when a song or performance feels life-changing even before big numbers appear, rather than waiting for a turnkey social or streaming package.
BTB Ep 519: An “Obsession” with indie filmmakers; music executive Russ Rieger
Q: What was the secret behind Maverick Records' success under Madonna's leadership?
It was about chemistry and vision—Madonna, Freddie DeMann, and Guy Oseary formed a dynamic team that could identify and nurture talent, and Madonna's active involvement and strategic decisions were pivotal in growing the staff and the label's impact.

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What is Break the Business about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A sharp, accessible look at the music business for indie creators and their supporters. Episodes frequently explore the economics of touring, the role of AI and new media in creation and distribution, live performance technology, rights and licensing, and direct-to-fan strategies. A distinguishing trait is the blend of practical how-tos (funding, ticketing, contracts, licensing) with candid industry anecdotes and a willingness to challenge traditional gatekeepers. Notable guests come from music, technology, media, and entrepreneurship, often discussing innovative platforms, legal considerations, and the evolving relationship between artists and audiences. This mix makes it especially valuable for independent artists, managers, marketers, an... more

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3. Diane DiSobbo
4. John Lister
5. Nick Cain
6. Russ Rieger
7. Martin Luther McCoy
8. Kelly Breaks

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