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Break the Business

Break the Business Podcast
Spotify
Copyright Law
Taylor Swift
Music Industry
Live Nation
AI In Music
Indie Creators
Artificial Intelligence
Youtube
Indie Artists
Suno
Tiktok
Chappell Roan
All Good Music Festival
Corporate Transparency Act
Indie Music
Generative AI In Music
Entertainment Law
Accessibility In Music
Real Estate

A show for indie creators and the people who love and support them. Break the Business Podcast is a fun and informative discussion of entertainment law (for non-lawyers), independent artists, and popular culture. Break the Business is recorded live on Thursdays at 9pm Eastern at twitch.tv/breakthebusiness. Catch the show on Mondays at 6pm on SiriusXM Channel 145 SLAM Radio and on all major podcast... more

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TOPICS: Ryan wonders why The Muppet Show has not yet received a series order; Ryan and Zak talk about Miist’s Billboard editorial about her decision to submit her music to the Best Asian Pop Music Performance Grammy category; can AI help empower indi... more

TOPICS: More Dolly Parton discussion; what are legal experts saying about Suno’s chances to succeed on a fair use claim in its copyright cases against the major labels; our guests this week are Dr. Raina Murnak and Kayla Behforouz, authors of a recen... more

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Tony Tripi
Rock and soul singer-songwriter, interviewed on the show
Trippi Rocks (artist project)
Episode: BTB Ep 531: Can AI level the playing field for indie artists?; rock singer Tony Tripi
Dr. Raina Murnak
Professor at the Frost School of Music, University of Miami; author on music, technology and creativity
University of Miami
Episode: BTB Ep 530: Fair use for Suno; Dr. Raina Murnak and Kayla Behforouz
Kayla Behforouz
Recent graduate of Indiana University Maurer School of Law; music copyright attorney
Indiana University Maurer School of Law
Episode: BTB Ep 530: Fair use for Suno; Dr. Raina Murnak and Kayla Behforouz
Vered Benhorin
Therapist, author, and founder of Baby in Tune
Baby in Tune
Episode: BTB Ep 529: Remembering Dolly Parton (1946-2026); Vered Benhorin Interview
Prima Apollinaare
Indie singer-songwriter featured in this episode
Episode: BTB Ep 528: Ellie Goulding sues her former managers; Prima Apollinaare
JC Sanchez
Founder and CEO of Orphiq, AI-native artist management platform
Orphiq
Episode: BTB Ep 527: Spotify and Claude offering AI transparency; Orphiq CEO JC Sanchez
Fritz Michel
Founder, songwriter and front man of Young Allies
Young Allies
Episode: BTB Ep 526: A tribute to Glen Hansard; Fritz Michel of Young Allies
Gregoire Gensollen
Chief Operating Officer at Tucker Tooley Entertainment
Tucker Tooley Entertainment
Episode: BTB Ep 525: Live Nation Settlement Update; Gregoire Gensollen interview
Steff Agathis
Founder and CEO of Vitalize Records and Vitalize Projects
Vitalize Records / Vitalize Projects
Episode: BTB Ep 524: “I Am Rocky” Biopic; Steff Agathis from Vitalize Records

Hosts

Ryan Corella
Host with extensive involvement in indie music business coverage and production coordination.
Zak Sloan
Co-host with a background in indie music and artist development.
Katie Zaccardi
Co-host with a focus on artist strategy and education.

Reviews

4.6 out of 5 stars from 29 ratings
  • Great way to learn about the music biz!

    Sdyney and Sam and team work hard to ask the questions that need to be asked and answered as far as doing business in the music business. A great resource for anyone in the business or looking to get into it. Highly recommend!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    aspenbeat handpicked music
    United States5 years ago
  • Awesome podcast

    Ryan the host puts together such an amazing show of facts, helpful tips and seriuos guests that can empower you to become a very informed independant artist, great work Ryan - Love the episode with Sync licesning expert Michael Elsner , so good, Thank you. Ric Chandler (Member of Electro Pop/Rock duo 'Lung'/composer/Musical Director/Drummer)

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ric chandler
    United Kingdom5 years ago
  • Please turn up the volume on your Podcasts

    Can you please turn up the volume when mixing your podcast is very low I have to turn the volume up on my device

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    ZenasdHopson
    United States6 years ago
  • Informative and entertaining

    Great show Ryan. Liked episode 186 there. Rich Dad Poor Dad is a great book and reading through it a second time now. I’m not a musician myself but have dabbled in some minor league management and business startup for a few musician friends in the past. Looking to get back into it and I find your podcast very informative and motivating. Keep it up.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Trudo (red-boy) Bently
    United States7 years ago
  • Clever, Funny, Useful

    Ryan is incredibly knowledgeable about a subject no one in the music industry wants you to know about. A great resource for aspiring musicians everywhere.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Kolorkhaki
    United States9 years ago

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A knowledgeable, entertaining look at the music business with practical takeaways.
Thoughtful coverage of indie music + tech, great guests and insights.
A bit of volume inconsistency mentioned by some listeners, but content is consistently informative.

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BTB Ep 529: Remembering Dolly Parton (1946-2026); Vered Benhorin Interview
Q: How should parents approach introducing music to very young children without pressuring them?
The guest suggests a balanced approach: keep music around as a natural part of daily life, avoid heavy coaching, and create 'bubble moments'—brief, joyful, connection-focused interactions—to invite participation without forcing it.
BTB Ep 530: Fair use for Suno; Dr. Raina Murnak and Kayla Behforouz
Q: What is the core problem the paper is trying to solve regarding AI training and compensation?
The core problem is how to fairly compensate musicians whose works are used to train AI systems, and how to structure a workable, scalable mechanism (like a TRO) that distributes royalties from AI training across rights holders while recognizing the distinct nature of AI-generated outputs.
BTB Ep 527: Spotify and Claude offering AI transparency; Orphiq CEO JC Sanchez
Q: How do you ensure AI tools don't train on artists' data or misuse it?
Orphiq states they don't train on artist data; they use cloud providers and contextualize AI outputs for individual projects, focusing on content strategy and fan engagement rather than training on copyrighted material.
BTB Ep 527: Spotify and Claude offering AI transparency; Orphiq CEO JC Sanchez
Q: What makes Orphiq better at helping artists use AI compared to generic AI tools like ChatGPT?
Orphiq offers context-aware, industry-specific prompts and 21-question identity prompts, delivering high-quality, tailored content plans quickly, with human-informed guidance and strategy.
BTB Ep 527: Spotify and Claude offering AI transparency; Orphiq CEO JC Sanchez
Q: For somebody who works in tech who obviously knows a thing or two about AI and art, how do you feel about these announcements?
JC Sanchez expresses cautious optimism about rapid technological advances, emphasizing that consent and proper management are crucial and that some regulation will help balance innovation with artist protection.

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A candid, practitioner-focused discussion about independent music careers, rights, and technology. Episodes thread together indie artistry, legal and policy questions around AI, licensing, and fair use with real-world case studies, artist development, and business strategies. The show frequently features guests from music tech, law, and independent music scenes, and often blends practical guidance with behind-the-scenes industry insights. A standout trait is its willingness to tackle timely issues—like AI's impact on ownership and compensation—and to translate complex topics into actionable tips for indie creators, managers, and presenters.

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