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Between the Briefs

Steno
Legal Technology
Artificial Intelligence
AI In Law
Litigation
Generative AI
Employment Law
Personal Injury Law
Law Firms
Access To Justice
Legal Industry
Cybersecurity
E-Discovery
Data Privacy
Legal Innovation
Ediscovery
Medical Malpractice
Legal Education
Judicial Independence
Court Reporting
Innovation In Law Firms

Welcome to Between the Briefs, a podcast by Steno. We share practical tips and expert insights on the pre-trial process, court reporting, and legal technology, to keep you updated on how technology is revolutionizing the litigation process and the wider legal sector.

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A few months ago, people were asking whether not using AI could ever be malpractice. Now, that question feels a lot less theoretical.

In this episode of Between the Briefs by Steno, Adrian Cea and Joe Stephens sit down with Shannon Boettjer, partner... more

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Everyone wants AI to make legal cheaper. But what if that’s the wrong promise?

In this episode of Between the Briefs by Steno, Adrian Cea and Joe Stephens sit down with Tim Fox, Chief Data and AI Officer at Ogletree Deakins, for a sharp, practical c... more

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Legal AI has no shortage of promises. Now, the real challenge is figuring out which ones are worth adopting. In this episode of Between the Briefs by Steno, Adrian Cea and Joe Stephens sit down with Colin Levy, General Counsel at Malbek, legal tech a... more

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Everyone wants an AI strategy but far fewer companies are ready to actually use one.

In this episode of Between the Briefs, hosts Adrian Cea and Joe Stephens welcome Elaine Barsoom, AI and innovation leader and Venture Partner at Silicon Foundry, for... more

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Recent Guests

Tim Fox
Chief Data and AI Officer at Ogletree and Deakins
Ogletree and Deakins
Episode: Will AI Lower Legal Costs? Tim Fox Explains the Twist
Colin Levy
General Counsel at Malbek; author and educator on legal tech
Malbek
Episode: Everyone Wants AI to Think Like a Lawyer. That's the Problem. ft. Colin Levy
Elaine Barsoom
AI and Innovation Leader, Venture Partner at Silicon Foundry; strategist with two decades turning emerging tech into business outcomes
Silicon Foundry
Episode: Your AI Strategy Isn’t the Problem - Your Readiness Is ft. Elaine Barsoom
George Socha
Senior Vice President of Brand Awareness at Reveal; Co-Founder of the Electronic Discovery Reference Model
Reveal
Episode: The Man Who Helped Make eDiscovery Make Sense ft. George Socha
Umair Muhajir
Vice President and Global Head of Managed Review at Disco
Disco
Episode: Why Is Legal Still Riding Horses in the Age of GenAI ft. Umair Muhajir
Michelle Pendleton
certified paralegal and litigation e-discovery paralegal at Allen, Matkins; president of the San Diego Paralegal Association
Allen, Matkins
Episode: Why Paralegals Are Quietly Becoming More Valuable Than Associates ft. Michelle Pendleton
Daniel Schwarz
Professor at University of Minnesota Law School, focus on AI-powered lawyering and RAG
University of Minnesota Law School
Episode: Questioning Everything We Think We Know About AI in Law ft. Daniel Schwarcz
Sateesh Nori
Tenant attorney, legal scholar, author; chief legal futurist at LawDroid; senior research fellow at NYU School of Law
LawDroid; NYU School of Law
Episode: Is the Legal System Every Lawyer’s Biggest Enemy? ft. Legal Futurist Sateesh Nori
Mike Russell
Head of global legal operations at Expedia Group
Expedia Group
Episode: AI Transformation Without Change Management is Useless ft. Mike Russell

Hosts

Adrian Cea
Host of Between the Briefs
Joe Stephens
Co-host of the podcast

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 69 ratings
  • Best podcast for attorneys/law firms!

    The legal space is such a fascinating space, where it’s almost a fraternity/sorority of people that have such a complex knowledge in this field.

    It’s incredibly refreshing to see this podcast tackle everything happening in the legal space that is relatable to such a knowledgeable audience. Great quality here and I’ll be sure to check in every time a new episode comes out!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    sbucket270
    United States2 years ago
  • smart topics

    great content from a great company

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Startup Life
    United States2 years ago
  • Insightful

    This podcast is tackling pressing questions for the industry about how to leverage technology to gain efficiencies (and an edge) for paralegals, attorneys and more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    gutjournalist
    United States2 years ago
  • Reading “Between the Briefs” makes a huge impact

    Adrian Cea’s chat with Kaitlyn Story is a must-hear for anyone navigating the legal world.

    Kaitlyn breaks down how tech like AI and e-Discovery are changing the game for paralegals, especially when it comes to juggling billable hours and workload.

    If you’re looking to stay ahead in the ever-evolving litigation space, this episode is for you!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Zekezamri92
    United States2 years ago
  • Super Interesting

    Loved the first episode, AI is gonna be huge, can’t wait to hear more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Nadisabell
    Germany2 years ago

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Hosts are seen as credible and knowledgeable in law and tech.
Guests are well-chosen, with a strong mix of practitioners and academics.
Listeners praise practical legal tech insights and real-world utility.

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Will AI Lower Legal Costs? Tim Fox Explains the Twist
Q: What is your hottest take on AI in the legal industry?
AI may not dramatically reduce costs in the near term, but it will raise productivity and profits as firms invest in better tools, governance, and skilled usage rather than expecting instant cost savings.
Everyone Wants AI to Think Like a Lawyer. That's the Problem. ft. Colin Levy
Q: What is your hottest take on AI in the legal industry?
His take is that AI won't replace lawyers or all aspects of practice immediately; the industry is in the early days and needs to slow down and think critically instead of assuming AI will solve everything.
Everyone Wants AI to Think Like a Lawyer. That's the Problem. ft. Colin Levy
Q: How should law schools adapt to prepare students for AI-enabled practice?
He advocates for early and integrated AI education within a cross-disciplinary framework, including clinical experiences, to build judgment and practical skills, not just theory.
Why Is Legal Still Riding Horses in the Age of GenAI ft. Umair Muhajir
Q: How does GenAI change how junior associates learn the case?
GenAI allows learning to be decoupled from pure document review; associates can use Q&A and scripted interactions to learn the case more efficiently while maintaining oversight.
Why Is Legal Still Riding Horses in the Age of GenAI ft. Umair Muhajir
Q: What are the biggest barriers for law firms adopting GenAI in their workflows?
The main barriers are the lack of judicial precedents addressing GenAI, software workflow adjustments, and the need for education to build comfort with AI-enabled processes.

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Frequently Asked Questions About Between the Briefs

What is Between the Briefs about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A practical, technology-forward discussion of how AI, legal tech, and operational strategy are reshaping pre-trial work, court reporting, and litigation workflow. Episodes consistently center on AI-assisted lawyering, e-discovery, access to justice, and in-house LegalOps, exploring how tools and processes can improve efficiency, accuracy, and client outcomes while weighing risks like overreliance, confidentiality, and change management. Noteworthy throughlines include the integration of AI into everyday legal tasks, governance and ethics in AI adoption, and the tension between rapid tech adoption and maintaining high professional standards. The format often features seasoned attorneys, in-house leaders, and legal tech experts who share conc... more

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